Originally Posted by dbader08
Everyone on this entire board should know that Nick's wrestling isn't comparable to GSP's, but who's is? Who honestly in the WW division can take down GSP and hold him there, or can defend his takedown? Koscheck or Fitch? we saw how those fights went and GSP's wrestling is only getting better. Shields could actually defend some takedowns but he would get taken down over and over too imo. Ellenberger?-Ha. The fact is GSP can take down any WW in the world whenever the hell he wants barring the occasional stuff which does not have very often. So using logic from there one should be able to assume it would take a really good BJJ fighter with at least good standup to beat GSP-which Nick possesses...and no the fight would not be comparable to the Hardy fight at all, Hardy got outwrestled/outgrappled by Marcus Davis. GSP would have alot more to worry about when he's just chillin in Diaz' guard. That being said, I still think GSP would win a decesion.
I actually think GSP would be at a pretty big disadvantage if he fought Diaz standing up for 5 rounds. Diaz has evolved alot as a fighter and it will take a damn good standup fighter to tko him on the feet. GSP is scared, though, and has been ever since the Serra fight and he's smart so that wouldn't happen anyways.
and Paul Daley? You can see his punches coming from a mile away and Diaz could easily get the fight to the ground and sub him. He might hit Diaz with some hard shots but Diaz would see them coming and wouldn't walk into them like Dustin Hazelett and Martin Kampmann.
and since when in the hell does damage equate to being able to cause cuts? cuts come from glancing blows in case you didn't know dude, not from direct shots.
and about the Mayhem-Diaz comment- Yeah it would be good for Diaz's hype for him to get a victory over "MAYHEM MILLER THE HOST OF BULLY BEATDOWN" but remember that not everyone watches mma for the storyline side of things, some people actually like to see the best most deserving fighters fight eachother
Your point on GSP's wrestling is well known; who is a better MMA wrestler than GSP? No one at this point really, although, it wasn't the point I was trying to make when I mentioned Diaz and his wrestling/TDD skills against GSP. What I was getting at is that he doesn't even begin to stand a chance over any real top 5 WW's, because without superior wrestling skills in our societal rules of MMA, you will be condemned to a bitter loss if you can't execute anything off of your back (which Nick would spend the fight on), and which with the way a lot of these wrestling champions are learning to fight, is nearly impossible, due the the rules. GSP is the king of maintaining top position while being extremely careful of submissions, however, while Nick Diaz does possess some impressive BJJ, I personally think, WITHOUT BIAS, that it has nothing to offer to GSP, unless George made a capital mistake on his part.
Do you really think that GSP would be at a disadvantage if he used the outstanding striking skills that he possesses, which he never uses anymore, against Nick Diaz in a 5 round fight? You should go re-watch some of his old fights before Matt Serra, then re-consider. I mean uh... while Nick Diaz has disposed of some of the best, world-class, outstanding strikers ever to live in our world and to exist in our sport such as the likes of Chris Lytle, Robbie Lawler, Scott Smith, Zaromskis, Gomi, and KJ Noons...
... I don't think his pit-pat jabbing style would defeat GSP's precise, powerful, Kyoshukin Karate. Unfortunately GSP will not budge from his win-no-matter-what mentality, and we will not see a standup war from him anytime soon, if ever again, but if it were to occur, he possesses the skills, speed, strength, and power to put Nick down.
As for Paul Daley, I mentioned that it would be great if Nick decided to stand with him for the whole fight, although, Nick Diaz wouldn't be able to take Daley down as easy as say, an NCAA wrestling champion. If it came to the ground, of course Nick would win. But if he stood up with Paul Daley, he will get punched out. Hazelett and Kampann didn't plan on walking into Paul Daleys fists.
Last time I checked, a cut does damage and could possibly stop fights. No, it's not the same damage as an elbow that comes crashing down on someones forehead, which would surely occur in a fight with GSP, but it's still damage.
That "host of Bully Beatdown" is actually a legitimate fighter, and a threat to any MW or WW, especially to Nick Diaz and his bandwagon. Go ahead and hate Mayhem, I care less; people know the truth. If Nick can go and make cute little videos for someone and throw plastic bottles at people, then he should be able to fight them too. Put up, or shut up. Mayhem would edge Diaz on the ground, wouldn't get submitted, and isn't stupid enough to stand up for the entire fight. Diaz is just scared, homie.
Btw, loved the "storyline/most deserving best of the best fighters fighting eachother." Might I ask, what promotion are you watching?
Originally Posted by dimerules28
Dont bother responding to DayneFS. Im not trying to bash you but your the biggest Diaz hater on this whole forum, wich is saying alot, so when you post in these threads I try and take it with a grain of salt.
Uh... who are you?