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[Clay]

As much as I admire Jake's game, I wouldn't be surprised if Martin won and threw a monkey wrench in the title contention picture.

[LethalStriker]

I'm sorry Jon Fitch, but you don't get the champion on the sideline just because one contender claims he deserves a title shot more then the other. Fitch just suck it up and take 1 more fight or sit on the sidelines until after the GSP/Shields fight.

And on the same token Fitch could get lucky and ends up getting the title shot anyways if Kampmann upsets Shields.

[McTee]

Originally Posted by Mac

Can't really give Shields a title fight if he's not finishing since that's how contenders are picked these days.

It isn't fair to say that contenders are picked based on finishing vs. not finishing.


Lightweight:
Frankie Edgar decisioned 3 of his previous 4 wins prior to getting the shot at BJ, and if anyone says that his sub of Veach got him the title shot over his decisions over Sherk and Franca, they're full of it.

Diego Sanchez decisioned Guida and Joe Stevenson to earn his shot at BJ Penn.

Gray Maynard has 7 straight decisions and is next up for Frankie Edgar.

Welterweight:
Koscheck decisioned Paul Daley to get his title shot, and you can't tell me that subbing Rumble or KO'ing Frank Trigg got him there.

Dan Hardy decisioned his previous 2 opponents and 3 of his total 4 UFC opponents prior to his shot against GSP.

Middleweight:
Chael Sonnen had 3 straight decisions after losing to Demian Maia by holy-shit highlight reel throw and triangle before getting his crack at Anderson Silva.

Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight are the two divisions that tend to have less decisions, and I haven't noticed any debate on this forum on the finishing vs. decision to get a title shot subject so I'll leave those divisions alone.

So... I distinctly remember you commenting on a post of mine that you wondered if I even thought before posting. I would say that you are completely off base suggesting that finishers are favoured to get the title shots.

[end it with a left]

eh if fitch wanted a title shot he should have went out and fought alves not just controlled him the whole fight. i like watching fitch fight but even that one was boring

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by McTee

It isn't fair to say that contenders are picked based on finishing vs. not finishing.

Lightweight:
Frankie Edgar decisioned 3 of his previous 4 wins prior to getting the shot at BJ, and if anyone says that his sub of Veach got him the title shot over his decisions over Sherk and Franca, they're full of it.

Diego Sanchez decisioned Guida and Joe Stevenson to earn his shot at BJ Penn.

Gray Maynard has 7 straight decisions and is next up for Frankie Edgar.

Welterweight:
Koscheck decisioned Paul Daley to get his title shot, and you can't tell me that subbing Rumble or KO'ing Frank Trigg got him there.

Dan Hardy decisioned his previous 2 opponents and 3 of his total 4 UFC opponents prior to his shot against GSP.

Middleweight:
Chael Sonnen had 3 straight decisions after losing to Demian Maia by holy-shit highlight reel throw and triangle before getting his crack at Anderson Silva.

Excellent post.

dana isn't giving Fitch a shot because Fitch doesn't immediately say "how high" when dana says "jump." There are ton of fighters who won't fight their teammates, it's only a highlighted issue with AKA. The same AKA who raised concerns about dana's dumbfuck negotiations with the video game [where Fitch was actually fired until Lorenzo brought sense to the issue].

All the casual fans talking about how you need to finish fights, how Fitch is boring, coming up with cleverclever lines about humpfests and rugburn submissions just reinforce the issue. They're perfectly willing to watch guys back their way into standing wins--under the vaunted "stick and move strategy" but freak out when they see a grappling bout.

Other than Fitch, Jake is the only fighter who should be considered for a title shot. It should go like this: If Jake wins, he gets a shot. If Kampman wins, he gets Condit, and Fitch gets the title shot. Anyone but Fitch or Jake getting a shot within the next year would be a complete injustice.

rh

[LethalStriker]

UFC should matchup Fitch vs. Condit early next year, it would be a good way to determining the next contender after the Shields/Kampmann winner.

[Mac]

Originally Posted by McTee

It isn't fair to say that contenders are picked based on finishing vs. not finishing.


Lightweight:
Frankie Edgar decisioned 3 of his previous 4 wins prior to getting the shot at BJ, and if anyone says that his sub of Veach got him the title shot over his decisions over Sherk and Franca, they're full of it.

Diego Sanchez decisioned Guida and Joe Stevenson to earn his shot at BJ Penn.

Gray Maynard has 7 straight decisions and is next up for Frankie Edgar.

Welterweight:
Koscheck decisioned Paul Daley to get his title shot, and you can't tell me that subbing Rumble or KO'ing Frank Trigg got him there.

Dan Hardy decisioned his previous 2 opponents and 3 of his total 4 UFC opponents prior to his shot against GSP.

Middleweight:
Chael Sonnen had 3 straight decisions after losing to Demian Maia by holy-shit highlight reel throw and triangle before getting his crack at Anderson Silva.

Light Heavyweight and Heavyweight are the two divisions that tend to have less decisions, and I haven't noticed any debate on this forum on the finishing vs. decision to get a title shot subject so I'll leave those divisions alone.

So... I distinctly remember you commenting on a post of mine that you wondered if I even thought before posting. I would say that you are completely off base suggesting that finishers are favoured to get the title shots.

I was stating this based on the fact that Dana said the winner of Fitch/Alves would get the next shot. Then after the fight happened he backed of of his statement at the press conference. The only thing that changed in between him stating the winner getting the shot and the fight happening was the way in which Fitch won. He's gonna say it was because Fitch didn't want to fight Kos but why not cross that bridge when you get there. The smart thing would be to say Fitch gets the winner of Kos/GSP and if Kos wins then make Fitch decide. That way Fitch looks like the moron if he declines the shot.

We all know this hard on he has for Fitch about the video game is the underlying theme with everything but that and the thing about not fighting Kos were both going on before he announced Fitch/Alves for title shot.

I was also aiming my statement at moronic fans who run around here acting like one fighter is better than another because he might finish more fights than another even though he also loses more.

Now if you want me to break down your assessment division by division, here we go:

LW. We all know there aren't going to be alot of finishes when the top 5 to 8 LWs are in there. You can't have a title that is not defended.

WW. When Hardy got the shot the only other likely candidate was Fitch as Kos was 3 and 2 in his last 5 fights. And people were still saying Kos was better than Fitch because he was finishing fights.

MW. Actually, Vitor was tabbed for the shot based off of KOing Franklin but had to back out of the fight due to injury. Who else was there besides Chael to throw in there? Maia just lost to Silva and Chael just beat Marquardt.

[LethalStriker]

Isn't it kind of like Fitch is already believing that Koscheck is going to lose to GSP.

Fitch says he wants to get the next shot but the next title shot would be fighting the winner of GSP/Koscheck 2 but Fitch has said multiple times he won't fight Koscheck.

[fishy]

I'm not really against Shields getting a title shot with only one win in the UFC, like Pashak posted before it's a trend in the UFC, even A Silva got his shot with a win over Leben and is considered to be one of the best champions UFC has ever had.

Fitch is a lot better now since their first fight but nothing about his style shows me that he will change the outcome of a rematch with GSP, especially since GSP has also shown improvements in his game. Having a new title contender like Shields, should he beat the Hitman, with a more impressive streak than Fitch would definitely be a better suit for a WW title fight. But having said that, I agree with rh that if anyone other than Fitch or Shields get a title shot within the year would be great injustice.

[Mac]

Just for the record, the only problem I have with Shields getting a title shot at this point is that Fitch is there. I have no problem with a fighter getting a shot based on his credentials from outside the org.