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[beau420]

Originally Posted by noahm

This comment is just 95% in good fun imo, but Brock's pronunciation is, I supect, a thinly veiled genuine desrespect. On a side note, I am white, but anyone who thinks that Brown Pride and White Pride have the same kind of meaning have their heads in the racist sand. The term 'white pride' is infused with a long history of straight-up hateful racism and cannot be separated from that at this point in history, while brown pride does not have decades/centuries of hateful racism infused in it, and basically means exactly what is says. Comparing the two as equals is just furthering racist division.

I agree, Brown Pride is acceptable while White Pride isn't, but what about cultures....I think it should be alright if it is a culture, but not so sure about most colours.

Like it's alright to have a tattoo for Irish Pride or Brazilian Pride, or Mexican Pride. But I'm not so sure it's okay when it comes to some colours, like White Pride or Black Pride, makes me wonder why Brown Pride is ok....probably because I never saw any anti Mexican shit growing up. Never heard about an anti-white or anti-other culture movement that was pro Mexican....not like White Pride or Black Pride (which is kind of borderline....some of the Black Panthers were okay....some were home growth terrorists)

It's a weird one. I guess Brown Pride is an exception to the colour rule. Wonder if any asians ever rep their Yellow pride? Or native indians rep their Red pride? Come to think of it, even those sound racist.

[McTee]

Originally Posted by TheKidInside

I am a huge beer connoisseur and Sam Adams is actually quiet good...that is no more ignorant than what Brock said...as a joke. Jeez. you don't need any more reason to hate Brock.

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As I am sure you can understand, I was not directing my comment about American Beer at the Sam Adams product, whose parent company, Boston Beer, accounts for less than 1% of the market share in the USA. I enjoy the Sam Adams products, as well as the Brooklyn products, Pyramid Brewing Co. out of Seattle, Sierra Nevada, Rolling Rock and other craft brewers. Unfortunately, Craft brewers make up a single-digit percentage of overall beer sales by volume, as well as by dollar value.

Just under 50% of the total market in the USA is comprised of Light beers, and 80% of the total market share in the USA is dominated by Anheuser-Busch, Miller and Coors.

Again, as I am sure you and others can understand, my comment was directed at the 80+% of American Beers that are watered-down piss. I live close to Washington State and two of their most popular locally-made beers, Rainier and Olympia, taste like someone took a quarter-full glass of Canadian beer and filled it under the tap. Oklahoma has a maximum beer strength of 3.2% ABV by law, so you know that the stuff they're drinking is pretty weak.

If you boys would like to try some real beer, come North to Canada and have at it. And don't worry, when you're puking your guts out in the Emergency room you won't have to think about hospital bills.

[TheKidInside]

the best beer is from Belgium hands down. the end.

[McTee]

Originally Posted by TheKidInside

the best beer is from Belgium hands down. the end.

No argument from me on that one. I like the Petrus, Duvel, Piraat, Kwak, Satan Gold and Chimay Red, White and Blue. I've also enjoyed a few Lambics.

[noahm]

Originally Posted by beau420

I agree, Brown Pride is acceptable while White Pride isn't, but what about cultures....I think it should be alright if it is a culture, but not so sure about most colours.

Like it's alright to have a tattoo for Irish Pride or Brazilian Pride, or Mexican Pride. But I'm not so sure it's okay when it comes to some colours, like White Pride or Black Pride, makes me wonder why Brown Pride is ok....probably because I never saw any anti Mexican shit growing up. Never heard about an anti-white or anti-other culture movement that was pro Mexican....not like White Pride or Black Pride (which is kind of borderline....some of the Black Panthers were okay....some were home growth terrorists)

It's a weird one. I guess Brown Pride is an exception to the colour rule. Wonder if any asians ever rep their Yellow pride? Or native indians rep their Red pride? Come to think of it, even those sound racist.

It is interesting, and without getting too philosophical (I am a falun gong practitioner), it is my understanding that word meanings exist because of everything that has been infused by everyone's thinking and perception of those words. If a word has no cultural perception or meaning associated with it, it doesn't mean anything of course. It like the word is made up of the sum of everyone's thoughts and carries whatever meaning that creates.

That said, there is no hate or racism (or at least very little) associated with brown/mexican culture or race. There is quite a bit infused from history in white pride, and enough into the term black pride that they carry a negative connotation--white much more so than black, and have become derogatory. It may be in the future that those negative aspects are forgotten or worn out and the terms can be used freely, but not at this time. They might look to be comparable phrases, but what is inside is actually much different. Think of the term 'gay'. You can argue all day long that it just means happy, but everyone knows it no longer carries that meaning and can't really be used that way any more.

Sorry to get off topic. This discussion really belongs in a diff thread.

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Ummm what? We can win it ANYWHERE, but not there.

Its not a black and white statement, I'm sure his camp thinks he has the ability to pull off a submission from the bottom. But they also think that the only way Lesnar wins it is to get top control and pound on Velasquez. Pretty similar to Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen, he was losing the fight from his back, the only way people saw him losing the fight, but he ended up winning from his back. Make sense?

If that's all Lesnar has to say about Cain then I think it's pretty tame. I don't really get why people are hating on the UFC for playing up Cain's Mexican roots, ethnicity is a huge seller in the fight game. There was a comment earlier about O'Brien's being as Irish as Cain is Mexican, but I don't think O'Brien speaks gallic, he didn't grow up on the Irish border in a migrant farmer community, and he's probably only been to Ireland a few times for fight if that.

[beau420]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

Its not a black and white statement, I'm sure his camp thinks he has the ability to pull off a submission from the bottom. But they also think that the only way Lesnar wins it is to get top control and pound on Velasquez. Pretty similar to Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen, he was losing the fight from his back, the only way people saw him losing the fight, but he ended up winning from his back. Make sense?

If that's all Lesnar has to say about Cain then I think it's pretty tame. I don't really get why people are hating on the UFC for playing up Cain's Mexican roots, ethnicity is a huge seller in the fight game. There was a comment earlier about O'Brien's being as Irish as Cain is Mexican, but I don't think O'Brien speaks gallic, he didn't grow up on the Irish border in a migrant farmer community, and he's probably only been to Ireland a few times for fight if that.

Gaelic is actually more Scottish. My grandma could read and understand it....but very few do today.

A small group of people in Ireland speak Modern Irish...According to wikipedia - "According to the 2006 census, 39% of the population regard themselves as competent in Irish."

I've been to Ireland a couple times and never heard anyone speak it, then again, I might have been in the wrong parts of Ireland.

Irish people were 2nd class citizens in most of the east coast like Mexicans were/are in southern states.

A better example would be Marcus Davis (he's the guy I was actually thinking of, not Jake OBrien). Both are first generation Americans and both grew up in the American school system.

Although I don't know much about Cain's youth growing up in the States, there are a ton of stories on fighters growing up in horrible situations....hell most Brazilian fighters have crazy stories about how they grew up.

The WEC pulled the race card huge when they were all talking about Miguel Torres when he was champ, and he was born in East Chicago. It really doesn't matter where a fighter grows up.

Well there are exceptions like BJ Penn. People think he is of Hawaiian decent, but he is actually Korean and Anglo-Irish. Or like Gegard Mousasi, born in Iran, moved to the Netherlands, but he is of Armenian decent, or Sexyama, who is Korean with a Japanese name.

Cain uses his Mexican heritage to help promote himself....nothing wrong with that. I just don't think the UFC has all that much to do with it. Tito used his Mexican heritage to help promote himself....nothing wrong with that either. (even though Tito's mom is white) Both use it for their advantage.

[carbondioxide830]

Originally Posted by BBG

Im actually shocked only one fucktard made that comparison in 24 hours...Congrats

fucktard? dont hate cuz i'm the wittiest poster on the boards.