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[SimpleJack]

Originally Posted by Cregs

I think its ridiculous how people can "hate" him for takin a title shot after 3 fights. Who wouldn't? your talking about the biggest accolade in MMA, and if you are offered a shot at it, of course you are going to take it!

Your point is taken, but I think you missed the intent. I don't think anyone hates him for taking the shot that was offered to him, I think it just adds to the overall disdain for his attitude.

I don't have a problem with the guy taking an opportunity.

[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by Cregs

I think its ridiculous how people can "hate" him for takin a title shot after 3 fights. Who wouldn't? your talking about the biggest accolade in MMA, and if you are offered a shot at it, of course you are going to take it!

I don't think that many people hate Brock for taking the titleshot. Or even for his attitude for that matter. Most of the hate for Brock is about the media hype around him. To a knowledgable MMA fan continually hearing about the awesomeness of Brock is kind of like every day Dana White coming to your house and giving you a bowl of horseshit, calling it ice cream and trying to get you to eat it. Eventually you're going to stand up and punch that bald motherfucker in between his beady little eyes. But since we can't do that we rip on Brock on forums.

[DanC]

Originally Posted by YukonJordan

I don't think that many people hate Brock for taking the titleshot. Or even for his attitude for that matter. Most of the hate for Brock is about the media hype around him. To a knowledgable MMA fan continually hearing about the awesomeness of Brock is kind of like every day Dana White coming to your house and giving you a bowl of horseshit, calling it ice cream and trying to get you to eat it. Eventually you're going to stand up and punch that bald motherfucker in between his beady little eyes. But since we can't do that we rip on Brock on forums.

Man, I can't give you rep at the moment (I gave you it for another post) but I wish I could. That post is legendary.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by YukonJordan

I don't think that many people hate Brock for taking the titleshot. Or even for his attitude for that matter. Most of the hate for Brock is about the media hype around him. To a knowledgable MMA fan continually hearing about the awesomeness of Brock is kind of like every day Dana White coming to your house and giving you a bowl of horseshit, calling it ice cream and trying to get you to eat it. Eventually you're going to stand up and punch that bald motherfucker in between his beady little eyes. But since we can't do that we rip on Brock on forums.

That same logic can be applied to so many other fighters other than Lesnar. I for one don't think Fedor, Sonnen,Gonszaga, GSP, BJ Penn or Crocop are as good as so many think they are.

Despite it all I dont hate any of those fighters but I do not embrace or believe all the hype behind them.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

That same logic can be applied to so many other fighters other than Lesnar. I for one don't think Fedor, Sonnen,Gonszaga, GSP, BJ Penn or Crocop are as good as so many think they are.

Despite it all I dont hate any of those fighters but I do not embrace or believe all the hype behind them.

...you left our anderson silva.

He's as overhyped as anyone in the game.

rh

[grambino]

Originally Posted by rivethead

...you left our anderson silva.

He's as overhyped as anyone in the game.

rh

I'm usually in agreement with you, but never more so than right now.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by grambino

I'm usually in agreement with you, but never more so than right now.

Anderson Silva is fighting in the toughest organization right now and is still undefeated. He has shown his ability to overcome his injuries and find a way to win. Its hard to knock a guy who is seeminly on the verge of clearing out his divivsion. Likewise its hard to knock him when he has moved up a weight class and has remained just as dominant. If anything he looked even better at lhw imo.

When a healthy Silva shows up and still gets dominated I will be more than happy to add his name to the list. Until that day comes I think he has earned most of his hype.

- Crocop got his ass handed to him by Gonzaga and hasn't looked right since.

- Shogun got tooled by Forest Griffin. Like it or not he has lost twice in the UFC.

- GSP got subd by Hughes and KTFO by Serra

- Sonnen is a superb wrestler but seemingly hasn't learned how to defend subs and apparently doesn't have enough confidence in his game if he has to cheat to perform well. He was subd by Maia and an injured Silva.

- Gonzaga can't seem to buy a win these days but we all keep hearing about how good his submissions are. When is the last time he even won via a sub?

- Fedor is old news and we already know his deal. If he is the "baddest man on the planet" his management should have no problems in letting him make his mark in the UFC hw division. I seriously doubt he could get past JDS/Carwin and I wonder if he could even beat Roy Nelson.

- BJ Penn got tooled by GSP, Hughes and now twice by Frankie Edgar. Apparently BJ is not the best lw on the planet.

These are the reasons for my listings and notice they are without bias (I like Shogun, BJ and GSP)

[travtera]

I think there might be more of outcry from the haters this time around because of the collective build up from his detractors since his first loss to Mir. A lot of die hard MMA fans have been writing him off in each fight starting with Herring and each time he proved them wrong. So now that he lost they finally got to yell out "I told you so".

I thought the primary purpose of the web was a soap box for letting people get their hate on. Why is this surprising and/or sickening? People nowadays love to hate.

We're going to find out what Brock is really made of now. Real champions persevere. His competitive spirit that came out following his loss to Mir makes me think he'll come back stronger once again. The question is, will it be enough?

Originally Posted by roaddawg

- GSP got subd by Hughes and KTFO by Serra

Not sure what this has to do with Anderson Silva's hype but the spider has losses in his past as well. Do people bring up his submission loss to Ryo Chonnan when debating his greatness. No, because it's irrelevant. GSP has erased both of his losses in dominating fashion and has become a stronger fighter as a result.

Originally Posted by roaddawg

- Fedor is old news and we already know his deal. If he is the "baddest man on the planet" his management should have no problems in letting him make his mark in the UFC hw division. I seriously doubt he could get past JDS/Carwin and I wonder if he could even beat Roy Nelson.

Just because Fedor got caught playing with fire against a very game Werdum that doesn't make him "old news". We all know he won't make that mistake again WHEN he avenges that loss. Whether he could get past JDS/Carwin or Nelson I don't know... I just know I wouldn't bet against him.

[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Anderson Silva is fighting in the toughest organization right now and is still undefeated. He has shown his ability to overcome his injuries and find a way to win. Its hard to knock a guy who is seeminly on the verge of clearing out his divivsion. Likewise its hard to knock him when he has moved up a weight class and has remained just as dominant. If anything he looked even better at lhw imo.

When a healthy Silva shows up and still gets dominated I will be more than happy to add his name to the list. Until that day comes I think he has earned most of his hype.

- Crocop got his ass handed to him by Gonzaga and hasn't looked right since.

- Shogun got tooled by Forest Griffin. Like it or not he has lost twice in the UFC.

- GSP got subd by Hughes and KTFO by Serra

- Sonnen is a superb wrestler but seemingly hasn't learned how to defend subs and apparently doesn't have enough confidence in his game if he has to cheat to perform well. He was subd by Maia and an injured Silva.

- Gonzaga can't seem to buy a win these days but we all keep hearing about how good his submissions are. When is the last time he even won via a sub?

- Fedor is old news and we already know his deal. If he is the "baddest man on the planet" his management should have no problems in letting him make his mark in the UFC hw division. I seriously doubt he could get past JDS/Carwin and I wonder if he could even beat Roy Nelson.

- BJ Penn got tooled by GSP, Hughes and now twice by Frankie Edgar. Apparently BJ is not the best lw on the planet.

These are the reasons for my listings and notice they are without bias (I like Shogun, BJ and GSP)

First and foremost the MMA world does not entirely consist of UFC. You may want expand your MMA viewing.

I strongly disagree that Silva has looked all that impressive at LHW. Who'd he beat? Irvin - lets not start a parade quite yet. Griffin - Forrest looked like a down syndrome kid chasing an ice cream truck. GRIFFIN EMPLOYED WORST GAMEPLAN EVER IN THE HISTORY OF MMA IN THAT FIGHT.

You need to get over the Fedor in the UFC issue. It's irrelevant because it won't ever happen. Neither Dana nor Fedor/M-1 are budging. Where Fedor fights has nothing to do with his legacy at this point. Strikeforce's top 5 HW's are just as good if not better than the UFC's.

When did Penn get tooled by Hughes? I must have missed that fight.

As noted above GSP has clearly erased any significance from his losses to Hughes and Serra. And that seemed like a standard variety TKO not a KTFO. If you want a KTFO go watch Hendo vs Bisping. Even better watch Wanderlei vs Rampage I/II, you probably haven't seen that one since it wasn't in the UFC.

You can say you have no bias but your pro-UFC bias shows through quite clearly.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

- Fedor is old news and we already know his deal. If he is the "baddest man on the planet" his management should have no problems in letting him make his mark in the UFC hw division. I seriously doubt he could get past JDS/Carwin and I wonder if he could even beat Roy Nelson.

Please, don't even bring up management unless you're going to paint Ed Soares with the same brush. Soares is every bit as reluctant to have his fighter face legitimate opponents as Finkelschtein is--and with much, much less personally on the line than the Fink does--and has been ducking legitimate opponents for years.

People talk about Fedor not fighting legitimate fighters based on what his opponents did after he beat them? Let's look at Anderson's: Irvin, addicted to fucking narcotics when he faced Anderson, hasn't beaten a top 50 opponent since; Cote, hasn't beaten a top 10 opponent in his lifetime, hasn't won since a fight in two years; Lietes: hasn't beaten a top 50 opponent in two years; Forrest, kept by the UFC because of his name and a washed-up Tito gave him everything he could handle; Maia, still one dimensional, and yet another fighter who gets a title shot and then faces not-even-top 30 opponents immediately thereafter; and Sonnen speaks for himself.

You think Fedor couldn't get past Nelson, that's fine, it's your opinion, and you've proven repeatedly that you don't know a goddamn thing about MMA anyway...I still think Anderson wouldn't get past Dan Henderson, and even after Dan lost to Jake Shields, Soares still wouldn't allow that match to happen. For the record, I feel Jake has all the tools to beat him as well.

rh