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[Caine2878]

Man there is no debating on this forum without someone being called an idiot. Man. I don't really get how people are claiming a robbery. I robbery is something when its very obvious someone won the fight. You can't say round 1 was very close but I gave it to Machida, round 2 was also close but I gave it to page round three Machida won clearly and was robbed. If he only won 1 round clearly and the first two could have gone either way its not a freaking robbery.

People keep saying well Machida didn't land much in the first but he landed more than Page..... Well its kinda hard to hit someone who is running backwards the entire round. Machida feel victim to his own style tonight. All that backpedaling and waiting before engaging does not look well in the judges eyes.

I gave round 1 to page because he attempted to fight while he didn't land much because Machida backpedaled the entire round, Machida didn't land much either and was not the agressor he didn't try to force the action hell if Page didn't come forward and throw punches there would have been ZERO action in the round.

[DanC]

Originally Posted by Caine2878

Man there is no debating on this forum without someone being called an idiot. Man. I don't really get how people are claiming a robbery. I robbery is something when its very obvious someone won the fight. You can't say round 1 was very close but I gave it to Machida, round 2 was also close but I gave it to page round three Machida won clearly and was robbed. If he only won 1 round clearly and the first two could have gone either way its not a freaking robbery.

People keep saying well Machida didn't land much in the first but he landed more than Page..... Well its kinda hard to hit someone who is running backwards the entire round. Machida feel victim to his own style tonight. All that backpedaling and waiting before engaging does not look well in the judges eyes.

I gave round 1 to page because he attempted to fight while he didn't land much because Machida backpedaled the entire round, Machida didn't land much either and was not the agressor he didn't try to force the action hell if Page didn't come forward and throw punches there would have been ZERO action in the round.

Yeah man, I actually agree with the decision, but just barely. It's a very, very difficult one to call. I've just posted a rather lengthy post on the FightMetric Rampage/Machida thread about my thoughts and how the judges probably saw the fight. It's a very tough one to call.

It is annoying when intelligent debates spirals into mud-slinging and calling each other idiots. Keep it intelligent guys, if someone disagrees with you then that's fine, it doesn't make them an idiot.

I really enjoyed tonight's event, the last few UFC events have been a little inconsistent (not really anyone's fault, just more than the fights didn't always live up to expectation), whilst Mir/Cro Cop was pretty terrible, Lesnar/Cain was fairly exciting, and on paper, tonight's event looked like it was a going to be a great card, and I think it delivered.

I really enjoyed the Soto/J-Lau fight, I always love seeing some great, technical grappling and we saw some great sweeps, awesome guard passes and some exciting stand-up too (it looked like George was actually going to get picked apart on the feet in the 1st round, as he was struggling for the takedown). It definitely deserved FOTN in my opinion, and I can't wait to see George fight again soon.

Phil Davies came out and put on a great performance too, the stand-up of this fight wasn't as exciting as I had hoped, but Davies displayed his awesome wrestling and did a great job of holding Boetsch down. What is it with wrestlers and their unorthadox submissions lately? First Hughes with that crazy front-headlock, and now Davies with the 'Mr Wonderful' haha! Real cool submission.

It really seemed like the crowd were booing Falcao in the third round, and Harris certainly seemed annoyed with Falcao at the end of the fight for his inactivity in the third, but Harris has no one to blame but himself for that last round. He was caught hard in the first and was tentative and nervous about engaging in the third, and really needed to go for broke. He has no one to blame but himself, I mean Rogan said that Falcao can't just go out there and out-point his opponent, and then sit back and not engage. I think he's wrong. Okay, it does him no favours in getting in Dana's good books, but he had done more than enough to win the fight and will surely be back in the UFC in no time. Chute Box produces agressive, heavy-handed strikers and whilst he didn't engage in the third, he had shown us enough in the first to make the fans want to see him fight again. I'm sure he wanted to finish Harris, but why would he risk getting KO'd by Harris when he had clearly won the fight already. It's not the most exciting way to win, but I can't really blame him.

Hughes and Penn... well, what is there to say. I'm absolutely ecstatic to see Penn come out with such an impressive win. It's clear to see from Penn's behaviour after the fight had finished how much that win meant to him. It's awesome to see him feeling motivated and that win will surely have been the encouragement he needed to get his career back on track. It's never nice to see a legend like Hughes getting KO'd like that, and even harder to hear him say he's not what he'll do next (possibly hinting at retirement?). This was an awesome (if short) performance by Penn. I don't think Hughes expected Penn to come out so aggressive and open up with heavy strikes so quickly.

Machida vs Rampage... Well, a tough one... Bring on the rematch.

[Ramma]

Rampage looked shocked when they announced his name. He knows he didn't win that fight and was very diplomatic about saying it.

Machida had the edge in the first round. And definitely won the 3rd.

Rampage didn't throw a single strike until almost 2 minutes into the fight. Machida was controlling the distance and landing shots. Rampage earned points on the cage, but I don't see how it was enough.

Second round went to Rampage for sure based on the take down and he started finding his range.


Either way, it was a good fight and I'd love to see the rematch. I think Rampage needs to start gaining some speed again. I feel like he is slowing down (maybe because he just fought Rashad and Machida, but he looked slow against Jardine too).

[rodzilla1988]

To clarify I did not call him an idiot because of his opinion (if your referring to me), I said that because he simply cannot comprehend posts or chooses to ignore them and argue about things (In my case) that I have all ready retracted after watching the fight again. I was very reasonable up until that point, trust me.

[TheKidInside]

IF OCTAGON CONTROL IS THE FUCKING RULES THEN IT MUST COUNT! IF LAY N PRAY COUNTS, THEN CAGE CONTROL COUNTS, GET OVER IT! MACHIDA LOST, AND KARMA IS A BITCH!

If they indeed make a rematch then we'll see them two also duke it out. Rampage looked shocked because honestly he knows that the UFC put a lot into Machida and would probably rob HIM of HIS win...

[rodzilla1988]

Originally Posted by TheKidInside

IF OCTAGON CONTROL IS THE FUCKING RULES THEN IT MUST COUNT! IF LAY N PRAY COUNTS, THEN CAGE CONTROL COUNTS, GET OVER IT! MACHIDA LOST, AND KARMA IS A BITCH!

If they indeed make a rematch then we'll see them two also duke it out. Rampage looked shocked because honestly he knows that the UFC put a lot into Machida and would probably rob HIM of HIS win...

I love how you just know these things. What else did he say backstage???

[rob_bills]

You tell em kidinside haha. Yeah i had Rampage win the first two rounds so i wasnt really shocked however it was a close fight.

For those of you who haven't seen the post fight presser Dana has said NO WAY will there be a rematch as he felt Page won.

Maybe give Machida Mr Wonderful or something

[Lesnar_FTW]

I actually got to go to the event last night. My friend knew somebody at work who sold him $140 tickets for $60! It was a blast and after the event I actually got to get a high five from Bader and Forrest which was awesome.

It was great to see BJ get a win. The booing, lack of action, and being there live actually kinda made the Falcao fight entertaining to me (I know it sounds weird lol).

The Machida/Rampage fight was really close for the first two rounds and Machida definitely had the 3rd. Personally I had it scored that Rampage got the first two rounds thus winning the fight, but like others have pointed out if it was Pride's rules it would have definitely been Machida's victory. I think the decision could have gone either way based off the 10 point system.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by rob_bills

You tell em kidinside haha. Yeah i had Rampage win the first two rounds so i wasnt really shocked however it was a close fight.

For those of you who haven't seen the post fight presser Dana has said NO WAY will there be a rematch as he felt Page won.

Maybe give Machida Mr Wonderful or something

Machida should get the winner of Forest/Franklin. Hamil or Tito should get Mr Wonderful and that is with the pink draws.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Ramma

Either way, it was a good fight and I'd love to see the rematch. I think Rampage needs to start gaining some speed again. I feel like he is slowing down (maybe because he just fought Rashad and Machida, but he looked slow against Jardine too).

There's no way to gain speed. After you do certain workouts to be able to through faster with gloves on, you're either fast, or slow.

Rampage has never had fast hands but it's easy to look fast when you're fighters slow fighters like Liddell for instance.