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[dgil]

Originally Posted by IceCold48

i mean i thought it was a good fight id like to see a rematch

I see this rematch going very similar to the Shogun Machida rematch, where both fighters now understand what the other brings to the table, and will not let it get to the judges again.

[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by GFB

I watched it with the sound off, and I though Rampage won the first 2 rounds. But I was saddened as they were announcing the results because I thought that dana would have made sure Machida was to win.

I'm happy with the result. As has been said, it all came down to numbers and rounds and not who 'won' the fight

actually the announcers werent biased at all and didnt really say anything indicating who was winning or losing

[MetalHead75]

I actually didn't even think the first round was a question...I had Rampage winning that one easily since he was the aggressor. The second was a close one, but I thought Rampage again was more aggressive and won the round. The third round was Machida's for sure, and I think if he would have done his damage earlier in the round he could have kept Rampage on the mat doing damage/attempting submissions and scored a 10 -7....if not finished the fight.

[beau420]

Originally Posted by carbondioxide830

since when does mma give out 10-10 and 9-9 rounds? sure nobody won the first two rounds convincingly, but if push comes to shove, i dont see how you couldnt give those two to rampage.

You just gave a perfect example of how I see it.

First 2 rounds were so close that I would score them 10-10 (like they usually call K-1 fights and some Japanese MMA fights) If there is no clear winner, no one wins the round.

Then give Page the last round.

That is the way I think more judges should judge MMA. If there is no CLEAR winner don't give either guy the round.

At the end of the fight I could see it for 2-1 Page and I could see it for 2-1 Machida.

I thought the most impressive part of the fight was Rampage's walk out to the Pride music. Rampage looked better than last time he fought and I hope he continues on the same track. Quinton....do not go back to the UK....do not train with Wolfslayer....train in the US...fight with a chip on your shoulder and fight with a little anger.

I thought rounds 1 and 2 were both toss up....I didn't look at the numbers because MMA scoring is really based on octagon control, not punches or sub attempts or strictly takedowns.

Rampage would follow Mashida around, get just into range, then stop, let Machida move and use his quickness....then repeat. It could be perceived either way. Was Rampage showing his octagon control by stalking Machida or was Machida showing that he could use his distance and control how close he let Rampage get to him and prevented what Rampage was trying to do the whole fight.

Sherdog says the following about round 1 :

UFC 123 Postmortem: Judges, Torn Legacies

After two rounds, Lyoto Machida performed the most significant attack in a fight against Quinton Jackson Saturday at UFC 123 by taking him down, mounting him, attempting a submission, and landing blows from on top. He had accomplished substantially more in one round than Jackson had in two

I haven't rewatched the fight. I am only cutting and pasting what a media outlet has stated. I thought neither guy was all that impressive and I also think that Rampage's best MMA days are behind him and I don't see either guy ever winning the UFC LHW belt again.

[MrSpanky]

The only thing I can imagine gave him the nod from one judge was the leg kicks. Rampage was clearly more determined though I think that's why he won. You could see it before the fight he was really in to it whereas Machida was really relaxed. The same thing happened in the cage and Rampage was pushing the fight while Machida was just looking to counter. Machida definitely won the 3rd round but Rampage won the 1st and 2nd. Rampage needs to come out impressively in his next fight though he's still agressive but he's not throwing enough strikes and it's almost getting boring.

[v3xi]

Originally Posted by beau420

I thought the most impressive part of the fight was Rampage's walk out to the Pride music. Rampage looked better than last time he fought and I hope he continues on the same track. Quinton....do not go back to the UK....do not train with Wolfslayer....train in the US...fight with a chip on your shoulder and fight with a little anger.

What camp was he training with this fight? I have said a bunch of times that Page should make friends with Rashad and join Jackson Camp but anything is better than Wolfslair.

Rampage would follow Mashida around, get just into range, then stop, let Machida move and use his quickness....then repeat. It could be perceived either way. Was Rampage showing his octagon control by stalking Machida or was Machida showing that he could use his distance and control how close he let Rampage get to him and prevented what Rampage was trying to do the whole fight.

Page had an awesome fight and amongst all this robbery and karma bs the underlying point of the fight is that no one gave Page a chance and he did fucking awesome. I love how he stayed in the pocket and forced Machida to throw punches first at times. Page is one of the best boxers in the UFC, top 3 for sure, and there was all this talk of Machida's style being perfect against Page but I think it was more that both their styles are so perfect for fighting each other it became a stalemate. I still would like to see a rematch and at no point did I think this fight was boring.

After two rounds, Lyoto Machida performed the most significant attack in a fight against Quinton Jackson Saturday at UFC 123 by taking him down, mounting him, attempting a submission, and landing blows from on top. He had accomplished substantially more in one round than Jackson had in two

Moot point since fights are scored in a round per round basis. That is the reality of the situation. Yes Machida did more in 2 minutes than Page (or himself for that matter) did in the other 13 minutes in the fight but that is not how UFC fights are judged.

I haven't rewatched the fight. I am only cutting and pasting what a media outlet has stated. I thought neither guy was all that impressive and I also think that Rampage's best MMA days are behind him and I don't see either guy ever winning the UFC LHW belt again.

I thought Rampage was impressive considering no one gave him a shot. I think Page has a better shot at beating Shogun than Machida does but I would say Shogun is a decent favorite in that fight. Machida could win the belt again if he faces anyone that isn't Shogun.

[pantomime horse]

I saw this fight live and while I couldn't make a case then for Rampage, I felt as though the decision was wrong. I chalk that up to Machida's 3rd round performance, of course, as well as my not seeing clear cut winners in rounds 1 and 2. I suppose I would have been happier with Machida taking a majority decision or the fight being declared a draw of some sort. I'll have to see if I can view it again to get a second opinion on it.

It just stinks that the fight just started to heat up and then it ended. Either way, the fight had its moments and if a rematch happens I'll be good with that.

[beau420]

Originally Posted by v3xi

What camp was he training with this fight? I have said a bunch of times that Page should make friends with Rashad and join Jackson Camp but anything is better than Wolfslair.



Page had an awesome fight and amongst all this robbery and karma bs the underlying point of the fight is that no one gave Page a chance and he did fucking awesome. I love how he stayed in the pocket and forced Machida to throw punches first at times. Page is one of the best boxers in the UFC, top 3 for sure, and there was all this talk of Machida's style being perfect against Page but I think it was more that both their styles are so perfect for fighting each other it became a stalemate. I still would like to see a rematch and at no point did I think this fight was boring.



Moot point since fights are scored in a round per round basis. That is the reality of the situation. Yes Machida did more in 2 minutes than Page (or himself for that matter) did in the other 13 minutes in the fight but that is not how UFC fights are judged.



I thought Rampage was impressive considering no one gave him a shot. I think Page has a better shot at beating Shogun than Machida does but I would say Shogun is a decent favorite in that fight. Machida could win the belt again if he faces anyone that isn't Shogun.

You seem to be judging the fight on your like of Rampage and the fact that he performed higher than his most recent outing.

I think he deserved to win....but I thought it was a bad matchup for both guys. I don't want to see a rematch between the two of them.

I would like to see one of them face a wrestler and the other one face a striker....just don't really want to see them face another again.

I am upset that neither Machida or Rampage came out the clear winner and that is their own fault. I don't think the UFC should give fighters 2nd chances to fight somewhat uneventful fights. I was never bored during the fight....just let down and found it uneventful and there was a lot of tentativeness on both sides.

I think rematches should be reserved for really entertaining close fights or really poor judges decisions. Not close fights where neither guy looked impressive.

[v3xi]

Originally Posted by beau420

You seem to be judging the fight on your like of Rampage and the fact that he performed higher than his most recent outing.

Well I spent half a year saying Rampage was going to get destroyed so when he does win the fight I sure as hell am going to be the most vocal poster on here defending him.

I think he deserved to win....but I thought it was a bad matchup for both guys. I don't want to see a rematch between the two of them.

I would like to see one of them face a wrestler and the other one face a striker....just don't really want to see them face another again.

I liked the fight but I am obviously in the minority. It was like a building climax in a good song or movie, where there is kind of a lull in the beginning and at the end all hell breaks loose.

I am upset that neither Machida or Rampage came out the clear winner and that is their own fault. I don't think the UFC should give fighters 2nd chances to fight somewhat uneventful fights. I was never bored during the fight....just let down and found it uneventful and there was a lot of tentativeness on both sides.

I don't like this mentality that UFC has brought on to the sport. As MMA advances fighters are going to get more and more strategic and skilled with less bloodlust rage, throwing wild punches, destroying everything in your path kind of recklessness. Sometimes you can't just throw all caution to the wind and open yourself up and sometimes you do have to leave your fate to the judges and hope you did enough in the prior rounds to win the fight. There will always be uncertainty and randomness in sports and I rather see 2 highly skilled fighters having a "boring" strategic fight then having every fight be Forrest vs Bonner. Thats just me though and I am in the minority for sure.

[mattc25]

I had Page winning the 1st.....and I was hoping to see Machida win. The second possibly a 10-10 round,and obviously Machida won the 3rd.