MMA News Forums » MMA Forums » General MMA Forum

[W.Silva>C.Norris]

You can keep all the fedor's. I dont want em. Give me an army of fighters who say, AND MEAN "I'll fight anyone, anywhere", then show up and FIGHT.

[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by W.Silva>C.Norris

You can keep all the fedor's. I dont want em. Give me an army of fighters who say, AND MEAN "I'll fight anyone, anywhere", then show up and FIGHT.

well i guess the guy in your username wouldnt be allowed in your army considering him and shogun said they will never fight each other.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Adambomb

Isn't Anderson Silva another Fedor? He's dominated his division for about 5 years and defeated almost every relevant opponent of his generation.

Originally Posted by GL Jeff

I think GSP falls into that category also. Look at Aldo, hes making the same statement. Fighters are evolving, and its whoever chances with the times that will be the best.

Both Anderson and Georges are amazing fighters. I'm sure some people take any criticism I might post on them as hating on them, but I'm actually in awe of their skills.

But they're not Fedor, not even close.

Fedor has always been willing to face his opponents where they are strongest, and beat them at their own game. Anderson is one of the premiere strikers in the industry, easily top 3 without any question--and yet, he's not as well rounded as Fedor. He's shown that repeatedly by being unwilling to go to the ground, or being outclassed on the ground. He and Soares have shown an absolute unwillingness to face fighters in rematches, which is something Fedor welcomed. When Henderson earned/was promised a title shot and Soares whined Anderson's way out of it, it was very hard to swallow as a fan of Silva. Legends aren't made by refusing to go to the ground with Thales Lietes. They're made by losing a round to Dan Henderson and choking him out in the second, and then doing it again a couple years later. They're made by dropping Lietes and then jumping into his guard and finishing him anyway.

Georges is closer, not only because he's been more than willing to host rematches, but in that he's a more complete fighter than Anderson--more well rounded but without the absolute elite-status singular skill that Anderson boasts--but he's still a fighter who focuses on exploiting his opponent's weaknesses while minimizing his own.

There is a golf movie with Kevin Costner--I can't remember the name of it because I've never actually played golf, and really because I brewed a killer rauschbier for the holiday, but he essentially fails spectacularly by refusing to play it safe and hitting balls into the water hazard over and over again, blowing his lead instead of taking two strokes to clear it. To me, that was Fedor vs. Werdum. Fedor could have played an Anderson, and feared the ground game of an elite grappler, kept it standing to the point of a horribly boring fight. Or he could have simply said go big or go home and followed the best HW grappler to the mat, trusting his sambo vs. the best big jitz on the planet...and came up short.

So no, I don't see Anderson as being close to the next Fedor. I see Georges as being closer, but not the total package, as he fights too smart, too safe.



And none of that is the the point of this thread. Unless you're a hater, Fedor's accomplishments in the ring are undeniable. But in making the thread, I think Joe was talking about his integrity, his unwillingness to bend and sign a restrictive contract and work for a punkass who had publicly insulted him. Sure, that action/inaction gives ignorant haters fuel for their ignorant hate, but at the end of the day, Fedor's family is fed, he's still able to face some of the best HW's on the planet, and he doesn't have to kneel at dana's altar to obsessive egomania.

I'd love to see Fedor vs. Cain. I think it legitimately has the opportunity to be the best HW matchup in the last 5 years. I'd love to see him face Junior. But I'm not so arrogant of a fan that I feel he should sacrifice his integrity, to work for a mouthy little wannabe fighter as dana.

So yes, I think the world needs more Fedors in general. Not just in MMA, either.

Integrity is good.



The only problem that I have is that Fedor's window of being Fedor seems to have closed. We hear more from the Fink than we do from him. We get he-said/she-said drama from him and AO, to the point where it overshadows AO's unwillingness to face him when he first signed with Strikeforce. Sure, AO was a punkass two years ago, but nothing was keeping Fedor from being the bigger man this last year. AO is probably on roids, but I doubt Olympic-level testing was going to change anything except insuring that M1 didn't lose a Barnett-sized investment in another bout. Fedor should have just had a clause that said if AO failed a test he pays whatever promotion fees were necessary, and then gone on to take the belt from him and relegate him back to the obscurity he deserves.

MMA's golden age is over. The concept of the best fighting the best has been KTFO'd by the almighty dollar. Sure, money doesn't have elite-level skills, but it's got cardio to keep coming and coming and eventually, it's broken the back of the sport, even if most fans don't realize it. And Fedor, via the Fink and his machinations, is just as much a victim of that defeat as if he'd signed with dana in the first place. Sure, we don't have to watch him fight for an asshole who said he wasn't a top 5 HW and hadn't faced anyone since 2005, but now we have to watch him not fight for an asshole who talks just as much shit as dana ever did.

Is he still the GOAT? In my mind, he is. Will we ever see his like again? I doubt it, even in his own future bouts.

rh

[CHAEL fan]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Both Anderson and Georges are amazing fighters. I'm sure some people take any criticism I might post on them as hating on them, but I'm actually in awe of their skills.

But they're not Fedor, not even close.

Fedor has always been willing to face his opponents where they are strongest, and beat them at their own game. Anderson is one of the premiere strikers in the industry, easily top 3 without any question--and yet, he's not as well rounded as Fedor. He's shown that repeatedly by being unwilling to go to the ground, or being outclassed on the ground. He and Soares have shown an absolute unwillingness to face fighters in rematches, which is something Fedor welcomed. When Henderson earned/was promised a title shot and Soares whined Anderson's way out of it, it was very hard to swallow as a fan of Silva. Legends aren't made by refusing to go to the ground with Thales Lietes. They're made by losing a round to Dan Henderson and choking him out in the second, and then doing it again a couple years later. They're made by dropping Lietes and then jumping into his guard and finishing him anyway.

Georges is closer, not only because he's been more than willing to host rematches, but in that he's a more complete fighter than Anderson--more well rounded but without the absolute elite-status singular skill that Anderson boasts--but he's still a fighter who focuses on exploiting his opponent's weaknesses while minimizing his own.

There is a golf movie with Kevin Costner--I can't remember the name of it because I've never actually played golf, and really because I brewed a killer rauschbier for the holiday, but he essentially fails spectacularly by refusing to play it safe and hitting balls into the water hazard over and over again, blowing his lead instead of taking two strokes to clear it. To me, that was Fedor vs. Werdum. Fedor could have played an Anderson, and feared the ground game of an elite grappler, kept it standing to the point of a horribly boring fight. Or he could have simply said go big or go home and followed the best HW grappler to the mat, trusting his sambo vs. the best big jitz on the planet...and came up short.

So no, I don't see Anderson as being close to the next Fedor. I see Georges as being closer, but not the total package, as he fights too smart, too safe.



And none of that is the the point of this thread. Unless you're a hater, Fedor's accomplishments in the ring are undeniable. But in making the thread, I think Joe was talking about his integrity, his unwillingness to bend and sign a restrictive contract and work for a punkass who had publicly insulted him. Sure, that action/inaction gives ignorant haters fuel for their ignorant hate, but at the end of the day, Fedor's family is fed, he's still able to face some of the best HW's on the planet, and he doesn't have to kneel at dana's altar to obsessive egomania.

I'd love to see Fedor vs. Cain. I think it legitimately has the opportunity to be the best HW matchup in the last 5 years. I'd love to see him face Junior. But I'm not so arrogant of a fan that I feel he should sacrifice his integrity, to work for a mouthy little wannabe fighter as dana.

So yes, I think the world needs more Fedors in general. Not just in MMA, either.

Integrity is good.



The only problem that I have is that Fedor's window of being Fedor seems to have closed. We hear more from the Fink than we do from him. We get he-said/she-said drama from him and AO, to the point where it overshadows AO's unwillingness to face him when he first signed with Strikeforce. Sure, AO was a punkass two years ago, but nothing was keeping Fedor from being the bigger man this last year. AO is probably on roids, but I doubt Olympic-level testing was going to change anything except insuring that M1 didn't lose a Barnett-sized investment in another bout. Fedor should have just had a clause that said if AO failed a test he pays whatever promotion fees were necessary, and then gone on to take the belt from him and relegate him back to the obscurity he deserves.

MMA's golden age is over. The concept of the best fighting the best has been KTFO'd by the almighty dollar. Sure, money doesn't have elite-level skills, but it's got cardio to keep coming and coming and eventually, it's broken the back of the sport, even if most fans don't realize it. And Fedor, via the Fink and his machinations, is just as much a victim of that defeat as if he'd signed with dana in the first place. Sure, we don't have to watch him fight for an asshole who said he wasn't a top 5 HW and hadn't faced anyone since 2005, but now we have to watch him not fight for an asshole who talks just as much shit as dana ever did.

Is he still the GOAT? In my mind, he is. Will we ever see his like again? I doubt it, even in his own future bouts.

rh

The Kevin Costner film you were referring to was called Tin Cup....decent flick.

[kickbox]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Both Anderson and Georges are amazing fighters. I'm sure some people take any criticism I might post on them as hating on them, but I'm actually in awe of their skills.

But they're not Fedor, not even close.

Fedor has always been willing to face his opponents where they are strongest, and beat them at their own game. Anderson is one of the premiere strikers in the industry, easily top 3 without any question--and yet, he's not as well rounded as Fedor. He's shown that repeatedly by being unwilling to go to the ground, or being outclassed on the ground. He and Soares have shown an absolute unwillingness to face fighters in rematches, which is something Fedor welcomed. When Henderson earned/was promised a title shot and Soares whined Anderson's way out of it, it was very hard to swallow as a fan of Silva. Legends aren't made by refusing to go to the ground with Thales Lietes. They're made by losing a round to Dan Henderson and choking him out in the second, and then doing it again a couple years later. They're made by dropping Lietes and then jumping into his guard and finishing him anyway.

Georges is closer, not only because he's been more than willing to host rematches, but in that he's a more complete fighter than Anderson--more well rounded but without the absolute elite-status singular skill that Anderson boasts--but he's still a fighter who focuses on exploiting his opponent's weaknesses while minimizing his own.

There is a golf movie with Kevin Costner--I can't remember the name of it because I've never actually played golf, and really because I brewed a killer rauschbier for the holiday, but he essentially fails spectacularly by refusing to play it safe and hitting balls into the water hazard over and over again, blowing his lead instead of taking two strokes to clear it. To me, that was Fedor vs. Werdum. Fedor could have played an Anderson, and feared the ground game of an elite grappler, kept it standing to the point of a horribly boring fight. Or he could have simply said go big or go home and followed the best HW grappler to the mat, trusting his sambo vs. the best big jitz on the planet...and came up short.

So no, I don't see Anderson as being close to the next Fedor. I see Georges as being closer, but not the total package, as he fights too smart, too safe.



And none of that is the the point of this thread. Unless you're a hater, Fedor's accomplishments in the ring are undeniable. But in making the thread, I think Joe was talking about his integrity, his unwillingness to bend and sign a restrictive contract and work for a punkass who had publicly insulted him. Sure, that action/inaction gives ignorant haters fuel for their ignorant hate, but at the end of the day, Fedor's family is fed, he's still able to face some of the best HW's on the planet, and he doesn't have to kneel at dana's altar to obsessive egomania.

I'd love to see Fedor vs. Cain. I think it legitimately has the opportunity to be the best HW matchup in the last 5 years. I'd love to see him face Junior. But I'm not so arrogant of a fan that I feel he should sacrifice his integrity, to work for a mouthy little wannabe fighter as dana.

So yes, I think the world needs more Fedors in general. Not just in MMA, either.

Integrity is good.



The only problem that I have is that Fedor's window of being Fedor seems to have closed. We hear more from the Fink than we do from him. We get he-said/she-said drama from him and AO, to the point where it overshadows AO's unwillingness to face him when he first signed with Strikeforce. Sure, AO was a punkass two years ago, but nothing was keeping Fedor from being the bigger man this last year. AO is probably on roids, but I doubt Olympic-level testing was going to change anything except insuring that M1 didn't lose a Barnett-sized investment in another bout. Fedor should have just had a clause that said if AO failed a test he pays whatever promotion fees were necessary, and then gone on to take the belt from him and relegate him back to the obscurity he deserves.

MMA's golden age is over. The concept of the best fighting the best has been KTFO'd by the almighty dollar. Sure, money doesn't have elite-level skills, but it's got cardio to keep coming and coming and eventually, it's broken the back of the sport, even if most fans don't realize it. And Fedor, via the Fink and his machinations, is just as much a victim of that defeat as if he'd signed with dana in the first place. Sure, we don't have to watch him fight for an asshole who said he wasn't a top 5 HW and hadn't faced anyone since 2005, but now we have to watch him not fight for an asshole who talks just as much shit as dana ever did.

Is he still the GOAT? In my mind, he is. Will we ever see his like again? I doubt it, even in his own future bouts.

rh

Never thought I'd say it, but I unequivocally agree with you, I acquiesce! We do need more Fedor like MMA fighters around here. Let's take a closer look at what Fedor brings to the table; very excellent stand up;power;grappling expertise and submission intuition.

[Repenter]

it was 'tin cup'

and fedor is, and has always been an anomoly. someone so undriven by glory and simple unparalleled in skill and fearless in all aspects of the game. i can't think of anyone i'd be less ashamed of getting triangled by than werdum, and people say fedor was exposed? he took a gamble, a gamble he's taken thousands of times, and he threw the wrong dice for the first time. that, to me, doesn't begin to diminish what a beacon he is for the sport, in terms of skill, professionalism, or example.

[v3xi]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Both Anderson and Georges are amazing fighters. I'm sure some people take any criticism I might post on them as hating on them, but I'm actually in awe of their skills.

But they're not Fedor, not even close.

Fedor has always been willing to face his opponents where they are strongest, and beat them at their own game. Anderson is one of the premiere strikers in the industry, easily top 3 without any question--and yet, he's not as well rounded as Fedor. He's shown that repeatedly by being unwilling to go to the ground, or being outclassed on the ground. He and Soares have shown an absolute unwillingness to face fighters in rematches, which is something Fedor welcomed. When Henderson earned/was promised a title shot and Soares whined Anderson's way out of it, it was very hard to swallow as a fan of Silva. Legends aren't made by refusing to go to the ground with Thales Lietes. They're made by losing a round to Dan Henderson and choking him out in the second, and then doing it again a couple years later. They're made by dropping Lietes and then jumping into his guard and finishing him anyway.

Georges is closer, not only because he's been more than willing to host rematches, but in that he's a more complete fighter than Anderson--more well rounded but without the absolute elite-status singular skill that Anderson boasts--but he's still a fighter who focuses on exploiting his opponent's weaknesses while minimizing his own.

There is a golf movie with Kevin Costner--I can't remember the name of it because I've never actually played golf, and really because I brewed a killer rauschbier for the holiday, but he essentially fails spectacularly by refusing to play it safe and hitting balls into the water hazard over and over again, blowing his lead instead of taking two strokes to clear it. To me, that was Fedor vs. Werdum. Fedor could have played an Anderson, and feared the ground game of an elite grappler, kept it standing to the point of a horribly boring fight. Or he could have simply said go big or go home and followed the best HW grappler to the mat, trusting his sambo vs. the best big jitz on the planet...and came up short.

So no, I don't see Anderson as being close to the next Fedor. I see Georges as being closer, but not the total package, as he fights too smart, too safe.


rh

Probably the best post I have ever read on this site.

I would like to add a variation to one point though. I think it was Fedor's ego that cost him the fight against Werdum. It was the same situation versus Big Nog. He wanted to showcase that Russian Sambo was better than BJJ so he went into the dragons den to slay the dragon just to prove it. This is why Fedor is the most exciting fighter to watch. It is almost as if he throws all caution out the window and yet he is still talented enough to pull through in the end.

As far as GSP goes he still has a long way to go in a MMA world before he can be compared to Fedor. You are right that there will never be another Fedor but in terms of dominance I can see GSP up there with him if he stays in this sport long enough. One thing to consider though is that the MMA talent pool is much much deeper over all now than it was 5-10 years ago. Gifted athletes that could have possibly made it to the NFL or some other pro sport are now going to MMA because there is fame and money to be made. If GSP goes undefeated in his next 8 fights that is 15 in a row, in todays MMA there could be an argument made that in terms of dominance GSP is equal or maybe even above Fedor.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by snakebite

I think you guys are missing the point. Someone said anderson is like a fedor?! HOW?! This thread is regarding his personal prowess. How he handles himself as a person with integrity before a fighter trying to get paid. Fuck no anderson isnt close to fedor, hes a great fighter but his antics and being disrespectful is something fedor would never do. I have no idea how ANYONE can bash fedor as a fighter. He has such good fighting talent he could easily talk as much shit as possible and get a free pass. Look at brock, he isnt even good and people still just put up with his bullshit. When fedor says he cares about god,family and his country before his legacy or fight career he really means it. That takes a VERY strong and genuine person to say that and truly mean it. The sport would 100% benefit from more fighters like fedor, after all the more you care about what your fighting for, the better you will fight and strive to become a better fighter. There is NO more respectful fighter in any organization today then fedor.

How do you even know Silva is disrespectful when you can't understand a word he says? Xenophobic much.

[Dr. MMA]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Both Anderson and Georges are amazing fighters. I'm sure some people take any criticism I might post on them as hating on them, but I'm actually in awe of their skills.

But they're not Fedor, not even close.

Fedor has always been willing to face his opponents where they are strongest, and beat them at their own game. Anderson is one of the premiere strikers in the industry, easily top 3 without any question--and yet, he's not as well rounded as Fedor. He's shown that repeatedly by being unwilling to go to the ground, or being outclassed on the ground. He and Soares have shown an absolute unwillingness to face fighters in rematches, which is something Fedor welcomed. When Henderson earned/was promised a title shot and Soares whined Anderson's way out of it, it was very hard to swallow as a fan of Silva. Legends aren't made by refusing to go to the ground with Thales Lietes. They're made by losing a round to Dan Henderson and choking him out in the second, and then doing it again a couple years later. They're made by dropping Lietes and then jumping into his guard and finishing him anyway.

Georges is closer, not only because he's been more than willing to host rematches, but in that he's a more complete fighter than Anderson--more well rounded but without the absolute elite-status singular skill that Anderson boasts--but he's still a fighter who focuses on exploiting his opponent's weaknesses while minimizing his own.

There is a golf movie with Kevin Costner--I can't remember the name of it because I've never actually played golf, and really because I brewed a killer rauschbier for the holiday, but he essentially fails spectacularly by refusing to play it safe and hitting balls into the water hazard over and over again, blowing his lead instead of taking two strokes to clear it. To me, that was Fedor vs. Werdum. Fedor could have played an Anderson, and feared the ground game of an elite grappler, kept it standing to the point of a horribly boring fight. Or he could have simply said go big or go home and followed the best HW grappler to the mat, trusting his sambo vs. the best big jitz on the planet...and came up short.

So no, I don't see Anderson as being close to the next Fedor. I see Georges as being closer, but not the total package, as he fights too smart, too safe.



And none of that is the the point of this thread. Unless you're a hater, Fedor's accomplishments in the ring are undeniable. But in making the thread, I think Joe was talking about his integrity, his unwillingness to bend and sign a restrictive contract and work for a punkass who had publicly insulted him. Sure, that action/inaction gives ignorant haters fuel for their ignorant hate, but at the end of the day, Fedor's family is fed, he's still able to face some of the best HW's on the planet, and he doesn't have to kneel at dana's altar to obsessive egomania.

I'd love to see Fedor vs. Cain. I think it legitimately has the opportunity to be the best HW matchup in the last 5 years. I'd love to see him face Junior. But I'm not so arrogant of a fan that I feel he should sacrifice his integrity, to work for a mouthy little wannabe fighter as dana.

So yes, I think the world needs more Fedors in general. Not just in MMA, either.

Integrity is good.



The only problem that I have is that Fedor's window of being Fedor seems to have closed. We hear more from the Fink than we do from him. We get he-said/she-said drama from him and AO, to the point where it overshadows AO's unwillingness to face him when he first signed with Strikeforce. Sure, AO was a punkass two years ago, but nothing was keeping Fedor from being the bigger man this last year. AO is probably on roids, but I doubt Olympic-level testing was going to change anything except insuring that M1 didn't lose a Barnett-sized investment in another bout. Fedor should have just had a clause that said if AO failed a test he pays whatever promotion fees were necessary, and then gone on to take the belt from him and relegate him back to the obscurity he deserves.

MMA's golden age is over. The concept of the best fighting the best has been KTFO'd by the almighty dollar. Sure, money doesn't have elite-level skills, but it's got cardio to keep coming and coming and eventually, it's broken the back of the sport, even if most fans don't realize it. And Fedor, via the Fink and his machinations, is just as much a victim of that defeat as if he'd signed with dana in the first place. Sure, we don't have to watch him fight for an asshole who said he wasn't a top 5 HW and hadn't faced anyone since 2005, but now we have to watch him not fight for an asshole who talks just as much shit as dana ever did.

Is he still the GOAT? In my mind, he is. Will we ever see his like again? I doubt it, even in his own future bouts.

rh

I couldn't have said it better even if I had a whole day to write this. Easily one of the best posts ever. Really well said RH!

*So wanted to rep this, but I have to spread it*

[carbondioxide830]

more fedors? how about more bj penns!!!!