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[carbondioxide830]

its all bullshit and randy couture is bullshit too (yea i said it). why beat a dead horse? and why use the rampage/machida fight of all fights as the backbone of any argument. why not use shogun/machida? at least in that fight, there's some REAL controversy. the only ones saying machida won are the same ones who were saying he beat shogun...

[RearNakedStroke]

I think this fight was a pretty good example for this article. Not necessarily because it was more controversial than other fights, but why the fight was scored that way. Under the scoring system used I can easily see how Rampage won the fight even though I thought Machida won the fight altogether. I'm not saying Machida was robbed, but maybe two rounds that contained pretty much no action at all shouldn't outweigh a round that was clearly won by a fighter. And maybe octagon control and takedowns shouldn't mean that much when nothing is done with them unless fighters are also given credit for effective counterstriking and takedown defense. Then the judges would have even more to learn though. I guess its still pretty far off from a perfect system.

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by carbondioxide830

blah blah blah...

the solution for shitty judging is FINISH YOUR OPPONENT

Amen.

[Sniggles]

Oh hey, the same thing that has been said for years now and will be said for many years to come.

[end it with a left]

hey if you dont want to lose a decision learn how to wrestle and pray you dont get subbed cause until we get new judges thats all it takes.

[singhc]

i dont mind the half points but i also believe former ufc fighter should be judges (as long as they arent bias towards any of the fighters) ALSO the more judges the less chance for discrepancies ..lets go from 3 to 5

[H33LHooK]

I'm certainly not advocating that the current system isn't broken, but there does exist a mechanism for scoring rounds that are "razor close"- - it's called scoring a round a draw.

Judges shouldn't feel compelled to award rounds that are really too close to call.

If a round/fight is too close to call, then by definition, it's a draw.

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[noahm]

Originally Posted by H33LHooK

I'm certainly not advocating that the current system isn't broken, but there does exist a mechanism for scoring rounds that are "razor close"- - it's called scoring a round a draw.

Judges shouldn't feel compelled to award rounds that are really too close to call.

If a round/fight is too close to call, then by definition, it's a draw.

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Actually, the 10 point must system doesn't allow for that, so the mechanism isn't there in most cases. Razor close=10-9 for now. That is one of the main problems IMO.

To me, taking away the 'must' part, and the half points would eliminate a lot of goofy calls, but would certainly increase the 'Draw' fights. I, personally don't mind at all, as it is more reflective of the actual outcome, but a lot of people including the gambling orgs would object to too many draw decisions.

[H33LHooK]

Originally Posted by noahm

Actually, the 10 point must system doesn't allow for that, so the mechanism isn't there in most cases. Razor close=10-9 for now. That is one of the main problems IMO.

To me, taking away the 'must' part, and the half points would eliminate a lot of goofy calls, but would certainly increase the 'Draw' fights. I, personally don't mind at all, as it is more reflective of the actual outcome, but a lot of people including the gambling orgs would object to too many draw decisions.

Me = confused then...

Are these souces not correct?

10-point must system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The biggest misconception associated with the 10 point must system, particularly amongst Mixed Martial Arts fans, is that you cannot have a 10:10 round. 10:10 rounds are infrequent within MMA but are allowed within the rules.

Reasons for this misconception stem largely from the phrasing of the brief rules description at the start of UFC broadcasts "The round winner gets 10 points, with his opponent receiving 9 or less".

At no point does this description state that there must be a round winner, however this is often assumed by the viewer as there is no mention of 10:10 as an option.

UFC

B. Draws are again acceptable in MMAC events

C. Point Totals 1. two fighters who draw are given a score of 10-10 2. the fighter who wins a round is given a score of 10-9 3.The fighter who dominates a round is given a score of 10-8 (a score of 10-7 is possible for a dominant round) 4.For each foul a fighter commits, a point is subtracted. This deduction can change a winning round to a draw. 9-9

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by carbondioxide830

blah blah blah...

the solution for shitty judging is FINISH YOUR OPPONENT

I really really hate this line of thinking. I use to hear it all the time in wrestling when someone lost a close match and the ref made a questionable call... "Well next time pin the kid." At the higher levels its sometimes nearly impossible to finish people.

Plus in order to finish someone like Rampage you need to hit him in the head 250 times with a lead pipe... aka Wandy's knee. Machida just does not have that kind of power or pure rage to do something like that.