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[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by PaydayJones

It only matters in this regard: He got knocked for a loop in that fight and subsequently lost. It was a fight that he should have never lost and he lost in spectacular fashion.

There are those fighters out there who come back from a loss like that and are gun shy and timid in their fighting style to protect against that embarrasment, and then there are fighters who come back from something like that and are more focused and determined than before. (the old 'separating the men from the boys' type of deal)

GSP fell in to the later category. So no, you are right, having Matt Sera on your resume isn't impressive in and of itself.. it's the surrounding factors.

There are arguments for the top fighters and we can discuss the GOAT throwing in all kinds of names.
The fact is GSP, A Silva and Fedor are the top three. There are arguments for all three.

GSP should have never lost to Serra

A Silva was Finished by soembody that should NEVER have beaten him and to make it worse It's probably the BEST finish EVER in MMA... Ryo Chonan's flying heelhook move!

Fedor Have fought Many of the great and won but He has alot of vans thrown in there also.

[PaydayJones]

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

There are arguments for the top fighters and we can discuss the GOAT throwing in all kinds of names.
The fact is GSP, A Silva and Fedor are the top three. There are arguments for all three.....

Ohh, I totally agree. I think the Serra thing is what puts him in the top class, not what separates him from the top class. Each of the fighters we usually list has at least one "shocking" loss that they came back from to dominate.

[rivethead]

?Wow...lowkick totally sucks, huh? Love-gushing puff pieces like this are why I have to criticize one of my favorite fighters more often than I praise him.

1. Skills: Georges is very well rounded, and he's good at everything. His best talent wasn't even brought up: Transitions. Georges has good wrestling--not great, but good wrestling [well, it's great for someone who didn't start wrestling till he was in his 20's, but not compared to guys who've wrestled their whole lives]. He's got great takedowns, but they're made more dangerous by the stellar fluidity of his transitions. His striking--nicely varied and accurate, but without KO power--is enhanced the same way. His jitz is coming along with his main asset being able to pass guard, but his dedication is an indication of continued improvement, and I'm betting he's got 10 more active years in the industry.

2. The level of opponents he has defeated is second only to Fedor, although I still have the first Penn fight as a loss for him.

My only concern with his wins [as opposed to Fedor] is that Georges fights a conservative game. He grapples strikers and strikes grapplers. That's great to keep him WW champ, but I don't see it as the stuff legends are made of. Fedor's willingness to jump into the guard of the best HW grappler on the planet is more foolhardy, but more legendary; particularly since each of the three most commonly mentioned p4p elite [Fedor, Georges and Anderson] have at least one loss, but only Fedor doesn't have one to an opponent who wasn't even close to being ranked as an elite fighter; and one who simultaneously facing an enormous size disadvantage.

3. Return from defeat against Matt Serra...I'm going to count this as a positive, although it's dramatically changed his style of fighting, and not necessarily in a more exciting fashion. Still, he responded more mentally strong after a huge beatdown, when lessar fighters carry a burden into subsequent bouts. No, he certainly shouldn't have lost to Serra, and the rematch doesn't erase it, but if I had doubts about his mental strength [recent Koscheck quotes notwithstanding] his return silenced them.


4. Personallity. This is nice for GSP to have, even if the author didn't spell it correctly. It's also not necessarily a quality for the GOAT, even if he shares the characteristic with Fedor [the actual GOAT].

5. Dedication to the Sport: This is also a nice. Not necessarily criteria to be the GOAT though.

So when GSP and Koscheck finally do meet on December 11th, rest assured, this wont be a repeat of the Matt Hughes or Matt Serra fight, this will be a repeat of every other Georges St. Pierre fight, where he outclasses his opponent in every aspect of the game, proving once again that he is the #1 Pound for Pound fighter in the world.

Ugh. I guess there is no accounting for how manlove can affect someone's eyeglass prescription. But the hack got me to read his hack-y nonsense, so I guess he wins, overall.

Originally Posted by PaydayJones

There are those fighters out there who come back from a loss like that and are gun shy and timid in their fighting style to protect against that embarrasment, and then there are fighters who come back from something like that and are more focused and determined than before. (the old 'separating the men from the boys' type of deal)

I agree it was a huge test of his mental/emotional strength, but he absolutely came back from that fight gunshy, and has fought gunshy since.

Originally Posted by PaydayJones

Isn't that the mark of a true champ? Take a beating and come out on top? Don't we all celebrate A. Silva for recently having done just that?

I don't have him coming out on top. I still have it as an misjudged win for Penn.

rh

[stpierrecanada]

Top 3 of all time for sure to me...But Fedor easily is #1 and always will be.

[end it with a left]

Originally Posted by rivethead

?Wow...lowkick totally sucks, huh? Love-gushing puff pieces like this are why I have to criticize one of my favorite fighters more often than I praise him.

rh

you could have just gone on to the next thread instead... im just saying

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by end it with a left

you could have just gone on to the next thread instead... im just saying

...and you could go on to the next forum, I hear sherdog is looking a bit thin under-the-bridge these days.

rh

[IceCold48]

this is a TERRIBLE article gsp is a great fighter and on his way to being GOAT unless shogun can stay healthy but the reasons this article gives are so dumb.

and this article is an automtic fail for saying something other then "i am not impressed by your performance" is not his most famous quote.

[Sniggles]

"I was not impressed with my performance" is way more used by him.

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by PaydayJones

What does a highlight reel have to do with anything? I don't think PfP rankings take "sportscenter" appearances in consideration at all, nor should they.

I am pretty sure Chris Lytle's highlight reel would be up there with any of the greats and I would never once consider him one of the sports best.

Did you really need to ask what a highlight reel has to do with anything? If it wasn't for Jon Jones' ability to pull off crazy moves left and right, no one would care about him. Tons of people are considering him invincible because he beat a few top 20 LHW's in spectacular fashion.

People are riding the GSP bandwagon now, but if he gets stopped by Kos, his achievements will look pretty miniscule when compared to what Wanderlei+Anderson Silva, Chuck Liddell, and Fedor have done in their prime.

[KnowledgeKnown]

This may be a bit premature. lol. Could GSP be the GOAT? Sure. Is he? How could we know? It's my contention that you cannot be the GOAT until you retire because you could destroy your legacy before you're through.