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[rivethead]

Originally Posted by IceCold48

how is having a disorder where you dont grow through puberty and have small balls cheating? he had all the paper work done and they fucked up more or less. did you even watch the hearing? hes had the doctor approval for every fight and told them at the piss session and dobbs said he doesnt remember.

Originally Posted by CHAEL fan

You obviously didn't do a very good job of reading then.

Ladies, he said he thinks Sonnen is cheating. It's his opinion, and what it comes down to is whether you trust Chael or not.

Yes, Sonnen might have legitimate reasons--or it could be that he simply found a doctor to say he has. That's a little far-fetched, but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

But even if he does have100% legitimate reasons, the question remains is he using the prescribed dosage--which would be low enough to keep him from getting any additional benefit from the therapy--or is he over-injecting enough to enhance his performance?

The fact that he didn't know his dosage--after administering the injections himself for two years--and his estimate was foolishly high can lead people to doubt he's following the therapy to the letter, or that the therapy itself has been designed by his quack to give him a bump.

It certainly isn't the slam-dunk-not-even-up-for-debate issue you both seem to think it is.

rh

[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Ladies, he said he thinks Sonnen is cheating. It's his opinion, and what it comes down to is whether you trust Chael or not.

Yes, Sonnen might have legitimate reasons--or it could be that he simply found a doctor to say he has. That's a little far-fetched, but it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

But even if he does have100% legitimate reasons, the question remains is he using the prescribed dosage--which would be low enough to keep him from getting any additional benefit from the therapy--or is he over-injecting enough to enhance his performance?

The fact that he didn't know his dosage--after administering the injections himself for two years--and his estimate was foolishly high can lead people to doubt he's following the therapy to the letter, or that the therapy itself has been designed by his quack to give him a bump.

It certainly isn't the slam-dunk-not-even-up-for-debate issue you both seem to think it is.

rh

i just dont see why you would go to such great lengths to do testosterone if in faxt hes lying. does it really affect you THAT much? i doubt it.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by IceCold48

i just dont see why you would go to such great lengths to do testosterone if in faxt hes lying. does it really affect you THAT much? i doubt it.

I think the truth is probably closer to he has an issue, and the opportunity presents itself to gain an edge, and he took it. My issue is that Sonnen has already illustrated that he's willing to say anything at all and has no sense of conscience or obligation to what comes out of his mouth. I'm not going to comment on the ongoing legal investigation that has currently derailed his political career, because it's unresolved and I don't know much about it...but I don't see him as a person with integrity.

So if he got a doctor to sign a script, I can see him misusing it.

Boosted testosterone, used long term [and two years would qualify, as well as future] has been proven to be performance enhancing: building muscle mass, increasing muscle performance, increased recovery time, as well as increased aggression and drive.

rh

[optimusjoel]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I think the truth is probably closer to he has an issue, and the opportunity presents itself to gain an edge, and he took it. My issue is that Sonnen has already illustrated that he's willing to say anything at all and has no sense of conscience or obligation to what comes out of his mouth. I'm not going to comment on the ongoing legal investigation that has currently derailed his political career, because it's unresolved and I don't know much about it...but I don't see him as a person with integrity.

So if he got a doctor to sign a script, I can see him misusing it.

Boosted testosterone, used long term [and two years would qualify, as well as future] has been proven to be performance enhancing: building muscle mass, increasing muscle performance, increased recovery time, as well as increased aggression and drive.

rh

Your basing your whole case against Sonnen on his potrayal of himself to the media. He came in to my restaurant once a few years ago around the time Ben Rothwell got signed to the UFC ( He was wearing a Rothwell Shirt and I was like oh I heard he just signed to the UFC), which was way before most people knew who he was. He was nothing like how he acts now, in fact he was really quiet and polite. He ate with his family, hung around a while and left. He really seemed just like everyone else. Somewhere along the line I think he realised no one really cared who he is, so he figured out a way to get peoples attention, hence the Sonnen we see today.

[Rise]

Originally Posted by CHAEL fan

You obviously didn't do a very good job of reading then.

I'll put it this way your a fan of Chael and you support his version of events and that's fine. I see enough gaps in his stories and a total lack of effort on the CSAC part to prove their case to think otherwise.

If you can explain to me how it is the following happened then I'll maybe change my mind...

- Chael's test was rated at 4 times the acceptable limit and 17 times the normal limits. Why are his numbers so high? Bearing in mind his treatment should only be bringing him up to acceptable levels
- Why are two of the conversations that were supposedly had about his condition with CSAC/NSAC reps not being backed up?. He supposedly talked to Keith Kizer about this who says the conversation never took place. Also there is no record of a phone call from the Lidland to the CSAC before the Okami fight.
- Why after 7 fights is his need for testosterone just coming to the the athletic commissions attention. How has it not come to light before in the 4 other fights he was tested. If I'm Sonnen and his trainer I'm making sure that I'm exempt and everything is taken care of which it clearly wasn't.

Originally Posted by IceCold48

how is having a disorder where you dont grow through puberty and have small balls cheating? he had all the paper work done and they fucked up more or less. did you even watch the hearing? hes had the doctor approval for every fight and told them at the piss session and dobbs said he doesnt remember.

If he had paperwork done this wouldn't have gone to trial period. The onus is on him as a fighter to make sure he has the necessary exemptions all in advance of fighting and he didn't. He might wanna check on Nevada as well seen as the supposed clearance he has to do it there is not true either. Also I'm not accepting his doctors word at face value I'd prefer to see the word of someone independent and not being paid by the defendant offer their input.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by optimusjoel

Your basing your whole case against Sonnen on his potrayal of himself to the media. He came in to my restaurant once a few years ago around the time Ben Rothwell got signed to the UFC ( He was wearing a Rothwell Shirt and I was like oh I heard he just signed to the UFC), which was way before most people knew who he was. He was nothing like how he acts now, in fact he was really quiet and polite. He ate with his family, hung around a while and left. He really seemed just like everyone else. Somewhere along the line I think he realised no one really cared who he is, so he figured out a way to get peoples attention, hence the Sonnen we see today.

Sooooo...I'm reserving judgment on his ethics and integrity based on his decision--for whatever reasons, he still made a decision--to portray himself as a liar with the media and potential legal issues that derailed his career. Which isn't nearly as accurate as seeing him in person for maybe a whole entire hour 4 years ago.

Sure...that makes sense. If he didn't skip out on one meal or stiff the waitress on a tip--again, years ago--well, then; today, he must be a superduper trustworthy guy, and we should believe everything he says 100%, right?

Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Originally Posted by Rise

- Chael's test was rated at 4 times the acceptable limit and 17 times the normal limits. Why are his numbers so high? Bearing in mind his treatment should only be bringing him up to acceptable levels

Actually, for a brief period right after the injection, an HRT patient's numbers can be all over the board, and potentially reach that level, depending on a variety of issues.

My question is that if Sonnen is self-administering, and he knew he had a test scheduled with the AC, why not wait till after the test to take his shot? Particularly if he had been doing it for a couple years now, it should be pretty routine.

I found the rest of your unanswered questions valid, and would love to hear legitimate responses.

rh

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Wow so it seems like Chael was telling the truth. Hey everyone, has does that "crow" taste? And if you don't know what I mean...then you are fucking stupid.

Why the fuck would you go eating a crow for?

[CHAEL fan]

Originally Posted by Degenero

Why the fuck would you go eating a crow for?

What cracks me up is now people are coming out of the woodwork saying "I BELIEVED IN CHAEL FROM THE BEGINNING!".....yeah right, GTFO! 99% of the people on this board had him guilty before he could tell his side of the story.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by Degenero

Why the fuck would you go eating a crow for?

That actually made me laugh out loud.

[Esox Express]

Originally Posted by CHAEL fan

What cracks me up is now people are coming out of the woodwork saying "I BELIEVED IN CHAEL FROM THE BEGINNING!".....yeah right, GTFO! 99% of the people on this board had him guilty before he could tell his side of the story.

I'm not sure too many people are saying that. I'm also not sure that this even convinced many people that he is "innocent".