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[RearNakedStroke]

Originally Posted by TN94z

GSP hasn't dominated in a way that Anderson has.

GSP may have lost a fight and may not finish everybody, but he engages everybody no matter what their game is and dominates them.

[kickass32]

Just because GSP isn't finishing as many fights as Anderson, does that mean he isn't as dominant??? Look at the way GSP has won his last 7 fights without losing a round...he dominated those 7 fights. The last time Silva was truely dominant and looked good in the MW division was 3 years ago.
GSP finishes 62% of his fights, Silva 74%....a difference, but is it THAT significant of a difference??

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke

And its not Silva's fault people don't get rematches.

No, it's really not his fault. But what do you think would have happened if Anderson had gone to Dana and said "I want to fight Henderson. I lost a round to him, and many knowledgeable fans are saying I lost the fight only because he had a bad weight cut and he gassed. I want to make them eat their words."

Conversely, when have you ever heard Georges or his camp say that his opponent didn't deserve a title shot? I know Silva fans are immediately going to dismiss this as something Soares has said, not Anderson himself. And again, I have to ask a rhetorical question: Wouldn't you feel better about being a fan if Anderson told Soares to shut his mouth and let him fight? I see both Silva and Fedor as being hampered by parasites that try to control them like a cash cow...and as a Fedor fan, I know I'd feel better if he simply told the Fink to shut the fuck up and held his hands out for the bout agreement and a pen.

Hendo apparently demanded too much money

I know I'm picking nits here, but I feel compelled to redress revisionist history. Henderson was promised a rematch if he beat Bisping convincingly. He did. Soares promptly started a smear campaign while Anderson stood idly by, pretending he doesn't speak English. Ignorant, rematch-hating fans complained that they wouldn't buy a rematch-titled PPV [neither Henderson nor Anderson can be said to be draws, anyway] and dana [shockingly] went back on his word [again]. Henderson actually agreed, but said that he should be compensated for the broken verbal contract. That's where the money came in, after Dan got fucked out of the rematch.

Originally Posted by TN94z

Anderson doesn't give rematches? So now you are saying that Anderson only fights who he wants to? Then why on earth would he pick Sonnen who had the best chance at beating him?

He didn't. He'd already ducked both Henderson and Marquardt, and there was nobody else to duck.

Now Anderson is a "medeocre" fighter?

I don't know that anyone has ever said he's mediocre. I've said he's not #1, and that being the third-best fighter on the planet isn't a terrible thing. I've also said his grappling is questionable. That's not mediocre, it just means that it's not at the elite level that his striking is.

These guys that you are naming and trying to say are not that good in the MW division, won their fights to get to the title shot. It's not like Cote won his first fight in the UFC and then all of the sudden gets a title shot.

How many top 5 fighters did Cote beat to get his title shot? None.
How many top 10 fighters did Cote beat to get his title shot? None.

How many top 5 fighters did Lietes beat to get his title shot? None, unless you include Marquardt virtually disqualifying himself with a powerbomb and dirty fighting and still earning a controversial split decision. How many top 10 fighters did Thales beat to earn it? Well, none, unless you count the aforementioned Marquardt. So what does that mean? It means you've got a guy who isn't anywhere close to being a solidly-ranked top 10 fighter, and he keeps enticing Anderson to grapple, but Anderson won't even entertain the idea for a heartbeat. Wouldn't you feel more confident in supporting Silva as a well rounded fighter if he was willing to beat a guy who wasn't even top 10 in all aspects of the game?

So the rematch talk makes no sense. Guys need to earn a rematch. And when you get completely smoked, then you must really work your way back up.

Henderson earned the rematch. It was promised to him, and then taken away because of Soares being a whiney bitch and ignorant fans being ignorant fans. The talk makes sense.

This sounds more like an Anderson hate thread, IMO

I think you're mistaking not feeling that he's #1 as hating him. Calling him #3, out of a cast of thousands is actually a pretty fucking nice thing to say.

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Since a lot of people seemed to like what I said, I'll say it again....

So what you're saying is that dana is full of shit and that Anderson isn't #1?

Originally Posted by TN94z

GSP hasn't dominated in a way that Anderson has. GSP hasn't finished a fight in almost 2 years and that was to BJ who is a true LW.

In his entire career, Georges has lost 3 fights [if you count the first Penn one as a loss, and I do.] In that time, he's lost a total of 3 fights. Anderson has lost a total of 3 fights as well. Georges has lost a total of 5 rounds, total, [if you include round 1 in the first GSP/Kos fight, and I do] in his entire career. Anderson has lost that number of rounds just in the UFC. In their careers, Georges was highlight-reeled by Serra, an unranked fighter who was fighting above his natural weight class; effectively outstruck by a grappler he had 8 inches of reach advantage over. Anderson--already awarded a Nog-issued brown-belt at the time--was highlight reeled by Chonan, an unranked fighter [with no BJJ credentials at all] who was fighting a full class above his normal weight, and giving up 7 inches in reach.

So the "domination" factor is pretty negligible, really.

But then you need to realize that Georges has faced opponents of a much, much higher caliber than Anderson has.

rh

[roaddawg]

Noone here is going to convince Riv or anyone else who thinks Silva is ducking competition despite his victories over the same people hes being accused of ducking.

The debate simply isn't going anywhere and the same applies for Fedor. The only thing we can go by are the facts and that is that both Silva and Fedor have been beating just about everyone thrown in the cage with them (convincingly I might add).

How many times must we rehash the same old debate that ultimately leads to nowhere. Whats the point?

At the end of the day both Silva and Fedor have made their stamps in mma history.

[Y2JUBAE]

Notice how there hasn't been a rematch for Silva in almost 4 years! no wonder he hasn't lost in so long. Fight them once and move on.

Why does anyone deserve a rematch? They lost. They had their shot, they blew it. No reason for someone to keep trying until they finally beat him, they either can or they can't. I have seen on here, people crying about how Nate deserves a rematch. Nate would get his ass busted in a rematch. Who deserves one either? Nobody has even came close to beating him other than a juiced up Chael.

The fact that he beats everyone is all the proof you need. GSP just beat Koz again after he beat him before. Big deal. What did that prove? Do we really need to see Cote get a rematch?

I just don't get the whole "he doesn't give rematches, beats them and moves on" thing. Seems like that's how it's supposed to go.

[b0sH]

Come on people.

Wall of text to the face does not equal good reading. At least get some structure to posts.

Want tips? See RH's post. (Removes lips from RH's backside)

I think when any1 judges what Dana says you've got to take into account the position he's in when making these statements.

If you ran up to the CEO of McDonalds and asked him to name the top 10 burgers of all time, do you think a Burger King burger would make that list?

[jody]

The complaining about who he fights coupled with his dance routine have removed Silva from the top of my personal p4p list.I had Fedor but he doesn't fight a whole lot(but probably no less than the others?I didn't count.).Hard to say who deserves number one,but who I think doesn't deserve number one,Anderson Silva.I have him below GSP all day.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

Why does anyone deserve a rematch? They lost. They had their shot, they blew it. No reason for someone to keep trying until they finally beat him, they either can or they can't.

This is an exceptionally stupid post. Without rematches, Hughes would still be WW champion. The list would go on and on.

rh

[SWIFTboy]

Originally Posted by Y2JUBAE

Why does anyone deserve a rematch? They lost. They had their shot, they blew it. No reason for someone to keep trying until they finally beat him, they either can or they can't. I have seen on here, people crying about how Nate deserves a rematch. Nate would get his ass busted in a rematch. Who deserves one either? Nobody has even came close to beating him other than a juiced up Chael.

The fact that he beats everyone is all the proof you need. GSP just beat Koz again after he beat him before. Big deal. What did that prove? Do we really need to see Cote get a rematch?

I just don't get the whole "he doesn't give rematches, beats them and moves on" thing. Seems like that's how it's supposed to go.

http://www.mmanews.com/forums/genera...less-list.html

You're welcome.

Honestly, that was one of the worst posts I've read in a while. In your world there would be no point to 7-game-series' in sports. In your world there would be no point in Presidents having to actually be elected to a second term. In your world Chuck Liddell would have NEVER been champion. In your world you would never be allowed to post again, since that one was equivalent to beinf submitted AND KO'ed simultaneously in the first round.

[SimpleJack]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Noone here is going to convince Riv or anyone else who thinks Silva is ducking competition despite his victories over the same people hes being accused of ducking.

The debate simply isn't going anywhere and the same applies for Fedor. The only thing we can go by are the facts and that is that both Silva and Fedor have been beating just about everyone thrown in the cage with them (convincingly I might add).

How many times must we rehash the same old debate that ultimately leads to nowhere. Whats the point?

At the end of the day both Silva and Fedor have made their stamps in mma history.

And so has GSP.