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[FFFRpickup]

Dana is up to his antics again. He goes on a rant about how Silva is the best..yada yada...Well, I guess if Dana says A Silva is the best P4P than..he is. Ya..right.

Dana is full of himself and thinks his opinion is fact.. He says that Silva deserves to be the best P4P over Gsp. Dana thoughts are a little distorted thinking about Money instead of Facts. He obviously can't say Fedor is the best and we all know why (different org).

Ever since Silva showed up to the weakest division EVER he cleaned house. They build up the fighters in the division like they're amazing every chance they get. Even Franklin...he beat Tanner, shamrock and the crow and was deemed the best there is at 185. now they're doing it again! It seems all of the sudden that Leites, Maia, Cote, and Lutter were amazing fighters! Dana has fallen victim to Soares and Silva's antics regarding HIS title. Notice how there hasn't been a rematch for Silva in almost 4 years! no wonder he hasn't lost in so long. Fight them once and move on.

They really managed to mess up the division. Anderson in my eyes has avoided rematches seemlessly. Dana just doesn't see it. Now Vitor gets to drop so much weight and coupled with the fact that he hasn't fought in over a year...he will be weak and rusty.

Another example of how clouded Dana's vision is here....A Silva wont move up to LHW so GSP has to move up to 185. Please. Why not have anderson move down to 170. The reason...He can't! He will lose his power and be weak at that weight. The guy walks around at 225! So have Gsp move up? Dana brings in Shields to fight Gsp? Why not bring him in to fight Silva? Why...Shields would dry hump a victory easily against Silva. The bottom line is Gsp would be a midget at 185!


I understand that P4P is very subjective but here's my list and why for each fighter.


Gsp #1
Fedor #2*
Silva #3

my reasoning for this:

Gsp has the stiffest competition from the start of his career. He gladly gives rematches and still Dominates in the rematches. He allows the number one contenders to get their chance without whining about who gets their shot. He has fought the who's who at 170...and realistically if you Look to other MMA orgs and find somebody who can compete with this guy? I just don't see anybody anywhere that can make the fight competetive.

The name Fedor says it all. He has beaten the who's who also. But I feel that there are a lot of questions about fedor fighting the New breed of skilled fighters that we will probably never see. Pride had some good fighters for him but that's all we can compare him to. Fedor has gladly given rematches and after his next Victory* he will move up to the number one spot again.

Now for Dana's golden boy, Silva. where to start.




A Silva is a Beast but doesn't deserve the top spot and here's why:

He doesn't give rematches. It's that simple. He has clouded Dana's mind so much that Soares says jump and Dana says "HOW HIGH?" The UFC has always built up medeocre fighters. they did it with Franklin as champ and Now Silva. Franklin's competition was the Crow, Shamrock and Tanner. who all of the sudden were amazing fighters..Please. Now with Silva he fights Cote, Leben, maia and Leites and they are amazing fighters. Please. The Last man Silva has given a rematch to is the person he took the title from..in 2007! Since then it's been a soap opera. Silva has manages to waive his magic wand and Poof....All the contenders are gone. They systematically have eliminated themselves from contention. Hendo, marquart and Sonnen no rematches. Suites Silva fine...he's just Dance around the ring and avoid fighting. He did it with cote, Leites, maia. And to make it worse..He get's credit for destoying the sandman...that's just laughable. That's Like Gsp moving up and fighting Lutter!

Sorry for the long rant but there is truth to it.

[RearNakedStroke]

I've gotta say I disagree with a lot of this.
The UfC MW division being the "weakest ever" is a pretty big stretch, but I guess thats a matter of opinion. Franklin is a very tough fighter and Silva ran through him twice.
He also beat Marquardt and Hendo who are also very tough fighters and came back from a 4 and a half round beating to sub Sonnen. And its not Silva's fault people don't get rematches. Hendo apparently demanded too much money, Sonnen is caught up in a controversy, and Marquardt keeps choking (not trashing Marquardt, it sux because hes one of my favorite fighters).
I wouldn't argue Silva would top GSP in the p4p list, honestly it hurts my head going over p4p because of too many variables and the fact that we'll never really know anyway.

[Daellusx]

Amazing. You say Dana is full of himself and that he believes his opinion is fact because he thinks Silva is the #1 P4P fighter? So are you saying Dana cant have an opinion? He cant argue that Silva is the best p4p fighter in the world in the same way you did because...?

And then you go on to say how p4p is very subjective. Implying that it differs from person to person and is in fact an opinion. Then you go on to give your opinion of who you think is the best P4P fighter but dont seem to realize how hypocritical that is when you just said Dana shouldnt do what you are doing. I dont get it.

[TN94z]

I don't agree but that is your opinion. The toughness of the fighters can be said for every division. Until GSP moves up in a weight class and wins convincingly, I don't see any way he could be ranked higher than Anderson. It's not like Dana is making GSP move up. GSP has said in the past that it is just getting to hard on his body to cut to 170. Why should Anderson move down to 170? His division is 185. GSP is the one talking about moving up.

Anderson doesn't give rematches? So now you are saying that Anderson only fights who he wants to? Then why on earth would he pick Sonnen who had the best chance at beating him?

Now Anderson is a "medeocre" fighter? These guys that you are naming and trying to say are not that good in the MW division, won their fights to get to the title shot. It's not like Cote won his first fight in the UFC and then all of the sudden gets a title shot. And which of the guys that you mentioned have worked their way back to a rematch?

Leben hasn't gotten back to a rematch spot
Franklin did but look what happened.
Lutter...where is he?
Marquardt can't get back
Henderson...where is he?
Then Irvin
Cote hasn't gotten back to a rematch spot
Leites hasn't gotten back
Then Griffin
Maia hasn't made it back
Sonnen doesn't deserve one yet....

So the rematch talk makes no sense. Guys need to earn a rematch. And when you get completely smoked, then you must really work your way back up.

It's almost like you are saying that Anderson waives his magic wand and he is the reason these guys are losing fights.

I just don't see the logic. This sounds more like an Anderson hate thread, IMO

[H33LHooK]

Originally Posted by Daellusx

Amazing. You say Dana is full of himself and that he believes his opinion is fact because he thinks Silva is the #1 P4P fighter?

And please remember: just because Dana says something with a lot of conviction, that doesn't necessarily mean be believes it to be the truth-- he's a salesman.

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[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke

I've gotta say I disagree with a lot of this.
The UfC MW division being the "weakest ever" is a pretty big stretch, but I guess thats a matter of opinion. Franklin is a very tough fighter and Silva ran through him twice.
He also beat Marquardt and Hendo who are also very tough fighters and came back from a 4 and a half round beating to sub Sonnen. And its not Silva's fault people don't get rematches. Hendo apparently demanded too much money, Sonnen is caught up in a controversy, and Marquardt keeps choking (not trashing Marquardt, it sux because hes one of my favorite fighters).
I wouldn't argue Silva would top GSP in the p4p list, honestly it hurts my head going over p4p because of too many variables and the fact that we'll never really know anyway.

I see your point but how many times has Silva gone out in the media and questioned his challengers credentials. He actively worked against fighting either Hendo or Marquardt when they were 1 and 2, he questioned Sonnen and he questioned Belfort. It seems the only guys he wants to fight are challengers who represent little danger to him, Leites, Maia, Cote or fight guys at 205 who are either non-factors, Irvin, or perfect stylistic matchups for him, Griffin. His initial 5 fights in the UFC were awe inspiring however since that time there's not really a lot he's done to justify him being #1. Especially when you consider what GSP is doing. That guy just goes out and dominates, never takes a round off, faces all challengers, respects all his opponents and continues to grow as a fighter. He doesn't avoid his opponents strengths as much as he chooses where the fight takes place and continuously presses the action. I thought St. Pierre was the clear #1 P4P two years ago, the fact that people still believe Anderson is the king now is mind boggling to me.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Since a lot of people seemed to like what I said, I'll say it again....

It's easy....GSP is a bonafide global superstar, Anderson Silva is not. GSP DOESNT NEED Dana White or anyone else to crown him the P4P best to be the best. Anderson needs that hype behind him because Anderson doesn't have near the drawing power that GSP does. I totally get why Dana said that.

[TN94z]

Originally Posted by YukonJordan

I see your point but how many times has Silva gone out in the media and questioned his challengers credentials. He actively worked against fighting either Hendo or Marquardt when they were 1 and 2, he questioned Sonnen and he questioned Belfort. It seems the only guys he wants to fight are challengers who represent little danger to him, Leites, Maia, Cote or fight guys at 205 who are either non-factors, Irvin, or perfect stylistic matchups for him, Griffin. His initial 5 fights in the UFC were awe inspiring however since that time there's not really a lot he's done to justify him being #1. Especially when you consider what GSP is doing. That guy just goes out and dominates, never takes a round off, faces all challengers, respects all his opponents and continues to grow as a fighter. He doesn't avoid his opponents strengths as much as he chooses where the fight takes place and continuously presses the action. I thought St. Pierre was the clear #1 P4P two years ago, the fact that people still believe Anderson is the king now is mind boggling to me.

GSP hasn't dominated in a way that Anderson has. GSP hasn't finished a fight in almost 2 years and that was to BJ who is a true LW. He has lost to Matt Serra (I know he won the rematch) and that would be like Anderson losing to Tim Credeur. He beat Hardy who was tailor made to lose to GSP. He beat Alves who couldn't stop a takedown. He beat the little Matt Serra in a rematch. He beat Hughes...BJ beat Hughes. I mean come on, you can make a case for any fighter that their past wins aren't that great. I don't understand how it can be mind boggling when the guy has won at an upper weight class and GSP hasn't. I don't care if GSP goes to 185 and fights the lowest guys on the ladder and wins, he needs those wins to have any fight against Anderson and #1.

And this is coming from a GSP fan....so it's not hate.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by TN94z

I don't agree but that is your opinion. The toughness of the fighters can be said for every division. Until GSP moves up in a weight class and wins convincingly, I don't see any way he could be ranked higher than Anderson. It's not like Dana is making GSP move up. GSP has said in the past that it is just getting to hard on his body to cut to 170. Why should Anderson move down to 170? His division is 185. GSP is the one talking about moving up.

Anderson doesn't give rematches? So now you are saying that Anderson only fights who he wants to? Then why on earth would he pick Sonnen who had the best chance at beating him?

Now Anderson is a "medeocre" fighter? These guys that you are naming and trying to say are not that good in the MW division, won their fights to get to the title shot. It's not like Cote won his first fight in the UFC and then all of the sudden gets a title shot. And which of the guys that you mentioned have worked their way back to a rematch?

Leben hasn't gotten back to a rematch spot
Franklin did but look what happened.
Lutter...where is he?
Marquardt can't get back
Henderson...where is he?
Then Irvin
Cote hasn't gotten back to a rematch spot
Leites hasn't gotten back
Then Griffin
Maia hasn't made it back
Sonnen doesn't deserve one yet....

So the rematch talk makes no sense. Guys need to earn a rematch. And when you get completely smoked, then you must really work your way back up.

It's almost like you are saying that Anderson waives his magic wand and he is the reason these guys are losing fights.

I just don't see the logic. This sounds more like an Anderson hate thread, IMO

Please don't think I'm hating on Silva. I just believe he has had the easy road and when it coems to oppenents he "walks in the light" in regards to fighters not getting back to title contention.

You list of fighters is my point. Hendo is gone , marquardt never made it back.

I never once said he's medeocre. He's #3 on my list. The guy is a wreaking machine. You mention that nobody got back to number one contender spot and that says it all about the division. weak. Maybe i went to far with the magic wand stuff but I'm sure the whining from Soares and Silva was heard from Danasome where alone the line. Can you honestly tell me that Silva welcomed a rematch with Hendo, Marquardt, Sonnen or anybody else that poses a threat. It's just "walking in the light" when your toughest oppenents don't get a rematch. he's just plain lucky that way.

Now I know I shouldn't take waht Dana says to heart becasue he's a business man. That said...the fact that he's trying to convince Gsp to move up is a business move in itself then. I never once said Silva should move down to 170. I simply stated that he can't do that cut.

Now I also realise that Silva has more finishes. But as weight goes up..so does the finishing power. Soo theoretically Silva should ahve more finishes. All i'm saying is Gsp dominates everybody. A Silva does not. SO if being manhandled by Lutter, Hendo and Sonnen only to come back and win those fights makes you better than simply dominating every round of every fight, than Silva is better.

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by Daellusx

Amazing. You say Dana is full of himself and that he believes his opinion is fact because he thinks Silva is the #1 P4P fighter? So are you saying Dana cant have an opinion? He cant argue that Silva is the best p4p fighter in the world in the same way you did because...?

And then you go on to say how p4p is very subjective. Implying that it differs from person to person and is in fact an opinion. Then you go on to give your opinion of who you think is the best P4P fighter but dont seem to realize how hypocritical that is when you just said Dana shouldnt do what you are doing. I dont get it.

Of course Dana is allowed to give his opinion. I'm just saying that Dana is very infleuntial and sooner or later he will convice everybody that Silva is the best p4p fighter instead of looking at dominate performances against tiop tier talent.

If Dana were to actually speak the truth he would probably say Fedor. But he won't. So that leaves him having the ability to say in press conferneces that Silva is the best in his eyes! He manipulates things and this is an axample of it!

There's No way Silva is ahead of Fedor in a P4P list. Dana just has the ability to reach Millions with his lies. That bothers me.