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[JustinVoorhees]

lay praynard

[CHAEL fan]

Originally Posted by WhootYouGotOwned

Sonnen Maynard n Fitch all wrestlers I would put in the boring section, Where as Randy,Edgar,Bader,Cain,Carwin , GSP, KOS,n so many others are very entertaining but still utilize there strong wrestling bases often. Im not one for lay n pray but when the debate goes on about boring wrestlers taking over.. to me the case is plain n simple wrestlers are dominating but the majority of them arent boring and have transitioned very well into good well rounded exiting Mixed Martial Artists

Whatever you are drinking, you should upgrade to the good shit, because it's not working for you.

[initial_zen]

Originally Posted by kingrobert

Unlike Maynard Chael has vicious ground and pound.

lol it's so vicious that he hasn't finished a fight with it in the ufc or wec.. I would say it is very active and constant, but vicious it is not.

[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by initial_zen

lol it's so vicious that he hasn't finished a fight with it in the ufc or wec.. I would say it is very active and constant, but vicious it is not.

still to say hes a blanket and as boring as maynard, fitch even edgar is a little rediculous.

and pertaining to what edgar said i think pettis is more like michael jordan of the lightweight division with those ups we saw tonight!

[goodtimes]

Up until Sonnen's fight with Marquardt, he was generally regarded as a boring blanket. He hardly had any fans in the WEC, no one really cared when he had a short win streak in the UFC. He had a good fight with Marquardt and Silva, but I think it's more that the other guys in the fight made it a good fight when they were clearly losing.

I like watching Edgar fight, but I think it has more to do with him not being a finisher then him being boring or a wrestler. He had a few awesome fights, but still fans want to see the big finish. He did a great job picking Sherk apart like BJ Penn did, but it was really the flying knee by Penn that made it a great fight, while there wasn't anything too memorable about Edgar's fight with Sherk.

[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

Up until Sonnen's fight with Marquardt, he was generally regarded as a boring blanket. He hardly had any fans in the WEC, no one really cared when he had a short win streak in the UFC. He had a good fight with Marquardt and Silva, but I think it's more that the other guys in the fight made it a good fight when they were clearly losing.

I like watching Edgar fight, but I think it has more to do with him not being a finisher then him being boring or a wrestler. He had a few awesome fights, but still fans want to see the big finish. He did a great job picking Sherk apart like BJ Penn did, but it was really the flying knee by Penn that made it a great fight, while there wasn't anything too memorable about Edgar's fight with Sherk.

i agree with you about edgar i too like watching him but i like watching chael fight better. thats mainly though because his style is one i really enjoy and for a while i was one of his only fans. alot of bandwagoners have come out since the marquart fight i agree.

just to show how little fans he had about a year or so ago i bought a chael sonnen autographed picture framed for $2.50 cents on ebay haha.

[CJRockstar]

I'll be the first person in a talk shit about Tim Sylvia contest, but some of the chatter is borderline fighter bashing so you might want to pick and choose your words lightly. S

Some wrestlers are very entertaining, and some are not. I'm not a big fan of the "Jesus I'm tired, so I'm gonna hug your leg while I'm bent over for 5 minutes pretending to go for a single leg takedown" move. The guys that do that should just find another sport because it's just plain shit. It's like they are trying to uproot a tree with their bare hands.

I think Edgar has been more than just a 1 dementional wrestler as of late, and it seems to be working in his favor. Not only did he upsetand outstrike, arguably, one of the best strikers on the planet... he did it twice.

Maynard was a lot more appealing coming out of the ultimate fighter than what he has built himself into.

Chael talks a lot of shit and wins grueling fights. He should for all intensive purposes, steroids ignored, have won the belt that night. I mean he was freakin asking for that triangle for 3 rounds.... You just don't sit in the guard of a blackbelt for 5 rounds without them at least TRYING to take your [head/arm/face] something home with them.

I don't really find Bader boring at all. He tries to strike, and does it well. He has more of an imposing wrestling style too, like more slam oriented. He drives through you, almost viciously.

When it comes to Ground and Pound, anyone can have "vicious" ground and pound. The real difference in GnP shows up when the person on the bottom is good at avoiding punishment. Otherwise it's body body head, and hell-bows.(there should be knees and kicks but I won't bitch about shitty rules that shouldnt exist right now) A

ny MMA fighter who hasn't trained how to keep a guy down while beating his face into a flat iron steak needs to switch professions now, because even if you don't plan on the situation, it will come up in a fight one time or another.

[rivethead]

Meh. Fighters who look to score points are different from fighters who look to finish. I don't really care if it's pecking and running or laying and praying. It doesn't make them boring, but it's different from someone who is willing to take risks in order to finish.

Philosophically, I actually don't see any difference between Edgar and Sonnen.

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[Chillzone]

Originally Posted by xdevilhawk138x

Not all wrestlers are boring its Gray Maynard is the most boringest one He lays on people for 3 rds I call him Gray "The Matress Maynard"

I think the nickname you are looking for is the blanket. A matress doesn't lay on people.

I still do not get why people get upset at Gray, Chael, and Fitch. Get pissed off at their opponents for not training to defend takedowns and wrestling. Its bullshit. If a figthter does something effective, then why should HE change HIS game? For example, a fighter has a nasty Right hook and you're going to be fighting him in 3 months. Do you work on head movement so that you can try and avoid it? Or do you just say "Fuck it. I'm going to work on wrestling only." It's stupid to go into a Mixed Martial Arts fight not prepared for all aspects of the fight. As GSP said; "If you want to watch kickboxing, then go watch a kickboxing fight."

Even if Gray or Fitch throw only 3 punches on the top, they still made somebody their bitch by not being transitioned off of them.

I'm just sayin'...

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by Chillzone

I think the nickname you are looking for is the blanket. A matress doesn't lay on people.

I still do not get why people get upset at Gray, Chael, and Fitch. Get pissed off at their opponents for not training to defend takedowns and wrestling. Its bullshit. If a figthter does something effective, then why should HE change HIS game? For example, a fighter has a nasty Right hook and you're going to be fighting him in 3 months. Do you work on head movement so that you can try and avoid it? Or do you just say "Fuck it. I'm going to work on wrestling only." It's stupid to go into a Mixed Martial Arts fight not prepared for all aspects of the fight. As GSP said; "If you want to watch kickboxing, then go watch a kickboxing fight."

Even if Gray or Fitch throw only 3 punches on the top, they still made somebody their bitch by not being transitioned off of them.

I'm just sayin'...

In this age of MMA, every top fighter has specialized training camps. No matter how much someone trains for Chael Sonnen, there is only 1 Chael Sonnen. He is one of the top wrestlers in the world; training for him doesn't mean you will be as good as him.

Guys like Fitch, Sonnen, and Maynard, are among the best wrestlers out there. Its not like they were washed up and just came to MMA because they didn't make it in wrestling.

When it comes down to it, fighters are entertainers. If you have guys like Maynard and Fitch who are generally loathed by fans, they are not going to make the same kind of money as people who put on more entertaining fights. However, I think everyone realizes that winning comes first.