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[NLRepublic]

I'd say judging/scoring system, if anything.

Otherwise I'm pretty happy

[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by Happypants

Sports are entertainment. Without the fans and a system that allows the organizations and fighter to make money MMA would be in the same spot as wrestling. It would have solid athletes but no way to make money and thus no on really caring about it.

If people who have enough interest in MMA to regularly post on an MMA forum say LnP is a problem then it just might be a problem. It obviously if affecting the entertainment value of the spectators when they see one guy holding down another guy and not really doing much else except holding him there.

And if you don't like the ground game watch boxing? Ground was can be exciting, just not when it is a wrestler who doesn't gnp and doesn't have a submission game. The equivalent to a stand up fighter only through 1 jab and then running the entire fight.

I don't believe it's the ground game people are complaining about. It's the LNP. A fighter will take you down and stick his head in your chest to avoid getting hit and throw a useless punch once in a while when the ref asks for action. That is total horseshit. They msut be stood up when that happens.

They lay on you and ride out the clock. That's exactly what they're doing. They know it...we know it and the refs know it. They don't want to admit it but it's true.

[Jerry Gajook]

Originally Posted by kickass32

Just curious as to peoples thoughts on the sport....there are a few things, I think we can all agree on, that aren't doing the sport any favours. The sport is "over the hump" I think in being repected as a "real" sport, but still has many detractors and people who still see it as a barbarian sport...what do you guys think is the single most detrimental thing to the sport...what is hurting our sport the most right now???

1/ Poor judging...making a mockery out of many decisions...seemingly almost every show.

2/Steroids and other illegal drugs

3/ Shady fly by night organizations failing to pay their fighters...australia and D.R.......

4/Dana White....too much swearing, too many broken promises to fighters...promised title shots etc...cutting fighters maybe too early...

5/Strikeforce...their inability to make any reasonable fights that actually mean anything, turning their titles into meaningless scraps of metal.

6/Lack of significant pay structure...yes many fighters are making a decent living...even a very good living, but many others are only making 5-10 K per fight...some even less.

7/Other.......feel free to add anything else you may feel is a huge negative on the sport

I was hoping to add a poll to this, but it didn't allow me to...mods????

Good points.
Dana White should remember that he is a rich powerful guy and shouldn't throw all his weight at a poor struggling fighter and embarrass the hell out of them...He is becoming an embarrassment to the sport as is Joe Rogan and his sidekick that likes to yell out "IT IS ALL OVER" A little more professionalism all around is what is needed..

[v3xi]

1) Dana White
2) Boxing judges that get to judge MMA
3) Fighters being forced to be exciting rather than partake in MMA
4) Fighters not being paid properly and given no benefits in a very dangerous sport
5) Fading competition that the UFC has to contend with. Competition promotes quality, a monopoly forces the most profitable avenue.

[snakebite]

scoring system-big fucking time, you train everyday to win a fight and then have someone else who dont know shit say you didnt. 30 takedown defenses should be worth more then 2 completed takedowns. Laying on someone for 10 mins should not be worth more then almost knocking someone out 5 times for 5 mins and activly trying everything in your power to finish the fight.

oh and fucking the ufc trying to become a monopoly and controll everything. Anytime you have the biggest MMA organazation in the world not letting fighters get sponsored because the company sponsors fighters in another organazation you are taking money out of fighters pockets and hindering the growth of the sport. Also constantly trashing fighters just because they arent in your league really makes you look like you arent even a fan. Why would you use your power and influenece to convince people to NOT watch the sport just because its not your organazation? Thats the stupidest shit in the world. You want people to stay involved in the sport for the long run. If you start bashing everything then maybe some people just give up hope thinking well this next ufc sucks and apparently every other leauge sucks too so why even waste my time? I hate how dana can call himself a fan of the sport when in actuality he only cares about money. A true fan is going watch and appreciate any fight or fighters for there spreading the fever and allowing more people to view what they do and what mma is all about. Strikeforce in no way can hurt mma in any way. Its not possible. They have the right to put anyone against anyone. After all, no fighter is forced to sign on the dotted line. Its not up to what people want to watch and if you think it is then hate dana because there are tons of fights that everyone clammers about they refuse to try and make happen. Fuck all the rankings, its about your ability and the entertainment value.

[JCVD]

Originally Posted by FFFRpickup

I don't believe it's the ground game people are complaining about. It's the LNP. A fighter will take you down and stick his head in your chest to avoid getting hit and throw a useless punch once in a while when the ref asks for action. That is total horseshit. They msut be stood up when that happens.

They lay on you and ride out the clock. That's exactly what they're doing. They know it...we know it and the refs know it. They don't want to admit it but it's true.

This is exactly the problem, its not about wanting them to stand and bang, i enjoy a good ground battle as much as a stand up battle but when a wrestler like lets say Fitch(who does this regularly)brings the fight to the ground, gets a dominent position and then chooses to do nothing with it but hold his oppenent down and wait out the clock, when they refuse to g'n'p or look for a submission from the dominent position preferring to just lie there doing nothin but waiting out the clock. Its almost like the equivilent of a stand up fighter looking to clinch up against the cage and then doing nothing from the clinch but leaning on the other fighter and waiting down the clock.

Now nobody wants to see that wheter its on the ground or on the feet, they are in a fight afterall. I have seen fighters go through all 3 rounds having a dominent position and not attempt a single submission or instigate any g'n'p. Referee's are going to have to start using there god given common sense to know when a fighter is exploiting this and intervene. I agree that the yellow card system could be effective in finding a solution to this.

[xdevilhawk138x]

Originally Posted by snakebite

scoring system-big fucking time, you train everyday to win a fight and then have someone else who dont know shit say you didnt. 30 takedown defenses should be worth more then 2 completed takedowns. Laying on someone for 10 mins should not be worth more then almost knocking someone out 5 times for 5 mins and activly trying everything in your power to finish the fight.

oh and fucking the ufc trying to become a monopoly and controll everything. Anytime you have the biggest MMA organazation in the world not letting fighters get sponsored because the company sponsors fighters in another organazation you are taking money out of fighters pockets and hindering the growth of the sport. Also constantly trashing fighters just because they arent in your league really makes you look like you arent even a fan. Why would you use your power and influenece to convince people to NOT watch the sport just because its not your organazation? Thats the stupidest shit in the world. You want people to stay involved in the sport for the long run. If you start bashing everything then maybe some people just give up hope thinking well this next ufc sucks and apparently every other leauge sucks too so why even waste my time? I hate how dana can call himself a fan of the sport when in actuality he only cares about money. A true fan is going watch and appreciate any fight or fighters for there spreading the fever and allowing more people to view what they do and what mma is all about. Strikeforce in no way can hurt mma in any way. Its not possible. They have the right to put anyone against anyone. After all, no fighter is forced to sign on the dotted line. Its not up to what people want to watch and if you think it is then hate dana because there are tons of fights that everyone clammers about they refuse to try and make happen. Fuck all the rankings, its about your ability and the entertainment value.

Amen Brother Amen

[The Return Of......]

it amazes me how many people say the ufc and dana white take away from mma............after all they have put into mma.

like it or not dana is the figure head of the most powerful mma organization in the world. there isnt an organization out there that can come close to touching them anytime in the near future.

does he swear a lot?? yea, and yes it is excessive. and eventually years down the road i am sure he will replaced by someone who does act a bit more professional. but one thing people tend to ignore is his passion for the sport. sure his passion as a general rule stops publicly at the ufc but when he is up there laying the f bomb about a fight or judging you can tell he is really into the fights not just the business. plus dana its not like dana has shit on every fighter there is out there. remember the whole jake shields thing before he signed jake? he was really high on shields as he was fighting for strikeforce.

as far as rogan, here is another guy who actually knows his stuff because he trains mma and is also passionate about it.

sure dana is brash, and im not gonna sit here and say i agree with all of his moves because i dont. i just think people at times tend to over board with the dana and ufc hate forgetting that they bring us the most and generally the best mma. sure there are other top fighters and other top fights that arent in the ufc. but the majority of them are.

as far as another organization for competition. i dont see that as a good thing UNLESS it is another pride over sea's. a lot of people think its a great idea because of the wrestling wars forgetting that wrestling is entertainment and not a real sport.

also, ive read several post of the ufc taking care of fighters behind the scenes. as fans we dont always know the whole story.

now, on to what i think is hurting mma the most. two things

1. piss poor judging. as fans we could do a better job than the judges they have now
2. the current scoring sytem. half the people in the world dont understand it.
3. theres not a legit organization that can rival the ufc over sea's (2 in the states just wouldnt work right now, because one organization is always going to be seen as the top dog in one country)
4. theres not enough smaller feeder type organizations in the states / world. the smaller feeder org wouldnt have to be in the states but there needs to be some stability for the young fighters coming up from all countries. a place for them to grow, give us additional fights to watch, and build up fighters. all other sports have college to build up young stars

[Xtremo]

Judges should be students of the fight game who practice various martial arts, especially JJ, they should not be people like this...

[Dr. MMA]

Originally Posted by 23Xtreme

Judges should be students of the fight game who practice various martial arts, especially JJ, they should not be people like this...

or this...