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[CHAEL fan]

Originally Posted by snakebite

scoring system-big fucking time, you train everyday to win a fight and then have someone else who dont know shit say you didnt. 30 takedown defenses should be worth more then 2 completed takedowns. Laying on someone for 10 mins should not be worth more then almost knocking someone out 5 times for 5 mins and activly trying everything in your power to finish the fight.

oh and fucking the ufc trying to become a monopoly and controll everything. Anytime you have the biggest MMA organazation in the world not letting fighters get sponsored because the company sponsors fighters in another organazation you are taking money out of fighters pockets and hindering the growth of the sport. Also constantly trashing fighters just because they arent in your league really makes you look like you arent even a fan. Why would you use your power and influenece to convince people to NOT watch the sport just because its not your organazation? Thats the stupidest shit in the world. You want people to stay involved in the sport for the long run. If you start bashing everything then maybe some people just give up hope thinking well this next ufc sucks and apparently every other leauge sucks too so why even waste my time? I hate how dana can call himself a fan of the sport when in actuality he only cares about money. A true fan is going watch and appreciate any fight or fighters for there spreading the fever and allowing more people to view what they do and what mma is all about. Strikeforce in no way can hurt mma in any way. Its not possible. They have the right to put anyone against anyone. After all, no fighter is forced to sign on the dotted line. Its not up to what people want to watch and if you think it is then hate dana because there are tons of fights that everyone clammers about they refuse to try and make happen. Fuck all the rankings, its about your ability and the entertainment value.

What's hurting the sport the most? Posters who don't use the ENTER key when typing.

[Xtremo]

Originally Posted by CHAEL fan

What's hurting the sport the most? Posters who don't use the ENTER key when typing.

Uh oh, let me put on my Fire Proof Suit because we are about to see a flame war!

[Dan]

Originally Posted by kickass32

Just curious as to peoples thoughts on the sport....there are a few things, I think we can all agree on, that aren't doing the sport any favours. The sport is "over the hump" I think in being repected as a "real" sport, but still has many detractors and people who still see it as a barbarian sport...what do you guys think is the single most detrimental thing to the sport...what is hurting our sport the most right now???

1/ Poor judging...making a mockery out of many decisions...seemingly almost every show.

2/Steroids and other illegal drugs

3/ Shady fly by night organizations failing to pay their fighters...australia and D.R.......

4/Dana White....too much swearing, too many broken promises to fighters...promised title shots etc...cutting fighters maybe too early...

5/Strikeforce...their inability to make any reasonable fights that actually mean anything, turning their titles into meaningless scraps of metal.

6/Lack of significant pay structure...yes many fighters are making a decent living...even a very good living, but many others are only making 5-10 K per fight...some even less.

7/Other.......feel free to add anything else you may feel is a huge negative on the sport

I was hoping to add a poll to this, but it didn't allow me to...mods????

Great post man. All of these things are significantly damaging to the sport. Sure MMA has made huge advances in recent years, but there are still a number of things that hinder it in being truely mainstream.

For me it's the judging that is the biggest problem, I really can't understand how judges are STILL not being given monitors. I understand (maybe in Cali? Correct me if I'm wrong) that there have been recent trials with monitors, but it seems ridiculous that it's taken this long to even consider it.

Steroids.. Well regular and random testing would surely sort this, or at least go some way to sorting it, and yet again I just can't understand how random testing isn't common practice.

Dana White - Y'see, part of me likes White's plain-talking behaviour and attitude, and the other half thinks that it does the sport (or rather, the UFC in particular) no favours as being recognised as a legitimate and professional. I mean, if you were a CEO or another form of business man, would you swear every other sentence when you were liaising with the press, or other affiliates? No. White should maybe behave more professionally at times, but on the whole, I like him.

Pay - MMA fighter pay really does irritate me, again, it defies common sense. It's disproportionate for the amount of money in the industry. I've posted a number of long-winded, rant-heavy postsin the past about this, so I don't plan on posting another, but for a fighter to get paid 5-8k to give up three months of his life to train, to go into an octagon/cage/ring to (essentially) put his life on the line, is just not enough. If a fighter has proven to be good enough to be given an opportunity to fight in the biggest MMA organisation in the world, to go in the ring to entertain hundreds of thousands, or millions of people, they should be paid well for it.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by 23Xtreme

Uh oh, let me put on my Fire Proof Suit because we are about to see a flame war!

Haha! You can always count on good ol' CHAEL fan for a nice big fight! aha!

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Judging.

[Xanatos]

Chael Sonnen

[noahm]

Bad judging, steroids etc., have some impact on giving the sport legitimacy, but no more so than it does in other sports IMO. The biggest thing hurting the sport at this point as far as its legitmacy is its own fans. The sport is not held back by tons of steroid abuse scandals (although it is likely rampant). Bad judging is not keeping it from becoming a credible mainstream sport.

Inbred, trashy, looking-for-blood americans are what has created the glass ceiling for MMA. The very fans that fill the seats, booing any lack of action, fighting in the crowd, carrying signs calling for blood, are the ones that are holding things back.

The sport itself has become legitimate. The rules allow for safe, competitive combat. The organizations, at least the mainstream ones, are dedicated to putting on professional fights that don't encourage or condone savagery.

A large group of fans however, are providing fodder for the mainstream media and the public, with their hillbilly antics. It is this issue that is the number one limiting factor in the growth of the sport. The problem is, these are the people that pay for the sport in a big way, and will continue to present this problem. As much as we all like to think of ourselves as intelligent fans of MMA, I think that the negative contingent of fans are actually a majority in number.

[The Return Of......]

Originally Posted by DanC

Pay - MMA fighter pay really does irritate me, again, it defies common sense. It's disproportionate for the amount of money in the industry. I've posted a number of long-winded, rant-heavy postsin the past about this, so I don't plan on posting another, but for a fighter to get paid 5-8k to give up three months of his life to train, to go into an octagon/cage/ring to (essentially) put his life on the line, is just not enough. If a fighter has proven to be good enough to be given an opportunity to fight in the biggest MMA organisation in the world, to go in the ring to entertain hundreds of thousands, or millions of people, they should be paid well for it.

i have to somewhat disagree with this for a few reasons

1. the smaller promotions cant afford to pay these fighters more
2. the hometown fighters who get a shot to fight in the ufc because there promoting a show in there home town do not deserve to make bank being unproven and getting a chance just because they are the local guy.
3. if your new to the fight game why should you automatically get to make bank without first proving yourself and earning the contract. sure you would get more fighters, but you would get guys in it for a quick buck and not the passion for fighting. i think you have to earn your way up
4. there have been numerous threads about fighters saying the ufc took care of them behind the scenes. not all pay and bonuses are disclosed and i hear a lot more about fans complaining about fighter pay then i do any fighters.

[Xanatos]

Originally Posted by The Return Of......

i have to somewhat disagree with this for a few reasons

1. the smaller promotions cant afford to pay these fighters more
2. the hometown fighters who get a shot to fight in the ufc because there promoting a show in there home town do not deserve to make bank being unproven and getting a chance just because they are the local guy.
3. if your new to the fight game why should you automatically get to make bank without first proving yourself and earning the contract. sure you would get more fighters, but you would get guys in it for a quick buck and not the passion for fighting. i think you have to earn your way up
4. there have been numerous threads about fighters saying the ufc took care of them behind the scenes. not all pay and bonuses are disclosed and i hear a lot more about fans complaining about fighter pay then i do any fighters.

I'm not so much agreeing with your points, but moreso your point of view. I don't think fighters are underpaid, I think in every other sport, players are overpaid.
cliff lee just turned down a 200 million dollar contract with the yankees. this is a guy who plays most of a game, one in every 5 games. 200 million dollars. there's no need for that kind of money.
Christ, even hockey is getting bad. Ilya Kovalchuck (sp?) signed his 100 mil contract with the devils.
And I don't like to hear the arguement "Dana White is making money off the blood and sweat of the fighters" and that's true, he is, and if the fighters have a problem with that, then they can start their own promotion and start putting on fights of their own.

[MetalHead75]

Alot of good points posted, but I'm leaning towards Dana White's antics hurting the sport the most right now. I like the guy, I know that he built the UFC into what it is today, and I think he relates to the fans of his own sport better than any other sports owner/promoter. For these reasons, I can easily pass off his swearing and other childish antics as "just another tantrum".

The thing is though, there are many people who are NOT MMA fans yet, and who don't even know who Dana White is or what he's done for the sport. So when their first impression of the UFC owner is a guy who's swearing and name calling like a kid, they more than likely don't take him seriously and just pass off the UFC as just another WWE type sports entertainment show.