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12-26-2010, 05:42 PM
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Hardy takes this by tko, Rumble has got killer power, but he will gas. Hardy has got a much better gas tank and will work to make Rumble tired and then move in for the kill. You never know with johnson though, he's got so much power anything could happen. Should be a good fight.
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12-26-2010, 05:47 PM
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This is pretty dangerous for Hardy. Taking on a big strong wrestler again. if Rumble can decently make weight then I see Hardy going down.
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12-26-2010, 07:38 PM
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This is the equivalent of a pro NFL team starting JaMarcus Russell come playoff time, waaaaay too out of shape and too big for his current position in life at WW given both the cut and the layoff, it's just silly to expect anything here.
Really think they should be looking to hook Hardy up with winner of Stungun/Nate but WTF.
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12-26-2010, 09:06 PM
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Given Rumble's conditioning issues and struggles with weight, you'd think Hardy would try to wear him out and then pick him apart while staying away from the power shots.
If I was Rumble's camp, I'd be putting together a game plan predicated on takedowns early in each round. Hardy has shown that his wrestling is the weakest aspect of his game, and Johnson would be stupid not to exploit that. If he can take Hardy down early and keep him there, he gains opportunites to rest and relax in addition to softening Hardy up. If he can pound on Hardy for two rounds he might slow him down sufficiently to put him away standing in the third.
It really depends on Rumble's gas tank. If he's doing his Mark Coleman impersonation by the end of the first Hardy will fuck him up.
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12-26-2010, 09:14 PM
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I really thought Rumble was going to fight at MW. He said in an interview that he was going to move up to MW, but wasn't going to make a permanent move there. I think this is a bad idea on his part. He shoulda took a fight at MW and given that division a try. He's big enough (he would still be of decent size in that division), he'd have a better gas tank because he wouldn't be cutting as much weight hence also adding to his punching power. This would have been a lot easier on his body given that he's had a year long lay off as well.
But, since that is not what happened I will get back to the topic. I think Rumble has more tools to beat Hardy than Hardy does to beat Rumble, simply because of Rumble's wrestling. Is it great? No, but I think it can be enough to give Hardy some trouble and keep him guessing, setting him up for a huge Rumble KO. This is gonna be a slugfest, but what this is really going to come down to is what kind of mentality will Hardy have, and what kind of shape will Rumble be in?
Despite this I want Rumble to win by massive KO. WAR RUMBLE!!!!
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12-26-2010, 09:27 PM
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With Rumble away for about an year and a half and Hardy extra hungry for a win. Plus taking in account Rumbles past problems I think Hardy takes it. Hope I am wrong
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12-26-2010, 09:42 PM
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If Hardy can get inside Johnson's reach and tire him out, this is easy pickins' for the Outlaw. This will likely come down to a striking match (Johnson has a tendency to ignore his wrestling credentials), and Hardy's hands are much crisper. On a side note, I can't believe Joe Silva hasn't forced Johnson to move up to MW. Unlike Thiago Alves, he truly has the height, length, and frame to be successful there.
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12-26-2010, 10:07 PM
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People assume that Johnson WILL gas....what if he doesn't? I mean if gas was the biggest problem in the Koscheck fight, one would assume that Johnson would have done some serious work on his cardio. So all things being equal, I think Johnson has the cleaner technique and killer instinct to KO Hardy again.
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12-26-2010, 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bubbles  With Rumble away for about an year and a half and Hardy extra hungry for a win. Plus taking in account Rumbles past problems I think Hardy takes it. Hope I am wrong | yea but the thing is he gained so much fucking weight he was at like 230 or something. so hell have to lose all that fucking extra weight, then get in fight shape then cut a shit load more weight on top of that because he has a huge cut normally to make welterweight.
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12-26-2010, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by joeodd2 People assume that Johnson WILL gas....what if he doesn't? I mean if gas was the biggest problem in the Koscheck fight, one would assume that Johnson would have done some serious work on his cardio. So all things being equal, I think Johnson has the cleaner technique and killer instinct to KO Hardy again. | Fair point - if Rumble shows up in shape then the chances of him winning the fight increase dramatically. I don't recall him ever really getting dominated standing (although happy to be corrected). He's a big, strong athletic dude with a 2" height and 4" reach advantage. Chinwise, I remember him taking a couple of Josh Koscheck fastballs and not seeming too fazed by it, so I figure his his jaw isn't made of glass. He's a decent stylistic matchup for Hardy especially if he uses his wrestling (I think I remember hearing he was a JUCO National champ?)
If he can get his cardio and weight issues under control then he's a long night for any welterweight in the UFC.
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