Originally Posted by HillbillyDeluxe
I indeed did watch PRIDE and enjoyed it very much so, but I would rather the UFC incorporate the yellow card than have knee's to the head of a downed opponent. I get where your coming from with it and yes, Knee's to the head on the ground would prevent the bullshit "just tryin to save my ass" takedowns where all they do is stay on top once getting there. I havent heard a single person complain about the Wrestlers that actually keep moving forward once it goes to the ground. The main thing is the ones that dont do shit once they get down there and grind out a decision by not doing a damn thing. That's totally unfair in my opinion and thats what the Fans really hate about some of the Wrestlers. I think all wrestlers get a bad rap now just because of the few that dry hump their way to a decision, nobody wants to see that.
Brutal knee's to the head from the ground may not be bloodsport, but it definitely is detrimental to fighter longevity in the long run. I'd rather have Fighters have longer careers with the least amount of concussions possible and I dont see grounded knee's contributing to that in a positive way at all. PRIDE fighters may still be alive and kicking but I can name 2 off the top of my head that clearly have some permanent brain damage and are a little "slow" and you could see over the years how it worsened.
Originally Posted by TheKidInside
oh so alive now means healthy...wow
and no YOU'RE WRONG because of the gravity, downward strikes are a lot more likely to cause blunt force trauma...go ask ANY doctor out there or for that matter you HS physics professor, child...
Please enlighten me on which fighters are now "unhealthy" from repeated knee strikes to the head on the ground. I'd like to see your evidence. From my perspective most fighters that have issues are because they were repeatedly placed in mismatches that got them killed (Sakuraba) or just fought WAY too long after their skills & bodies had eroded (Ken Shamrock, Chuck Liddell, Sakuraba, etc).
When did I ever say you were wrong? You could be very right. Please show me one fight that ended via knee to the head of a downed opponent that irreversibly changed a fighter's career. And by that I mean something like:
Chuck was never the same after Rashad KO'd him with a punch
Wandy was never the same after Cro Cop KO'd him with a head kick
Cro Cop was never the same after being head kicked by Gonzaga
From my perspective it seems like punches & head kicks result in far more brutal & spectacular KO's. I'm not going to debate physics with you, but from my own experience watching MMA I've never seen a knee on the ground that packed the same power as the strikes listed above.
I don't desire MMA to be a free-for-all. Fish hooking, eye gouging, groin shots, punches/kicks to the back of the head, spine shots, etc should all be illegal as they're generally considered dirty tactics. Knees however, are a basic tool that strikers are stripped of on the ground. That tilts the rules in favor of wrestlers, which isn't fair to fighters from other disciplines.
By the way, the rule originates from a Gan McGee fight in New Jersey around 2000, in which he blasted some kickboxer to earn a TKO. It wasn't because of some tragic accident; rather a member of the the athletic commission just thought they looked too dangerous and got them outlawed. The kickboxer was fine.
For what it's worth, it appears Dana White agrees with me:
“Knees to the head? I get asked that a lot,” White said. “Right now we’re in this phase where we go out to all thees different states, and what we’re trying to do right now is basically — the game of soccer we play in the United States is the same game they play all over the world — that’s what we’re trying to do with MMA, to make this a sport. Eventually, when the whole world isn’t afraid of this sport anymore, then we can add knees to the head. I like them and I agree with you, but it’s going to take a long time.”