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[joeodd2]

If this fight happens I call Nog winning by sub or UD. I'd lean more toward Sub in the 2nd round, but Brock may tough it out. I'd even make a sig bet, oh so many people are gonna eat crow......

[MickeyKnox]

Originally Posted by joeodd2

If this fight happens I call Nog winning by sub or UD. I'd lean more toward Sub in the 2nd round, but Brock may tough it out. I'd even make a sig bet, oh so many people are gonna eat crow......

Don't forget about it if the fight is made because I will have you wearing a new sig of a battered, beaten Big Nog.

[YukonJordan]

I like how the thread is entirely focused on the last sentence in the article ignoring the rest of it.

I too think that Brock is too much for Nog at this point. And that's saying a lot more about Nog than it is about Brock.

I do strongly question Nogueira's thought process however. For a guy who's bread and butter is his jiu-jitsu and hip movement to continue fighting for over four years with a hip injury without getting it fixed is really really stupid. Yet another reason I think Soares is the worst manager in MMA. If he was ever in the know about this injury (hard to believe he wouldn't be) he should have stopped Nogueira from training or fighting and had him in to see a specialist right away.

Of course it is Black House so he could just be making excuses for his relatively poor performances in the UFC.

[Goremire]

I for one would sincerely hope that Nog's comeback fight is not against Lesnar and I say that as a Nog fan.

According to him, the hip surgery will drastically improve his speed and athleticism in the cage (assuming he's correct when he says he's only been perfoming at about 40%). I personally wonder (as others have so far) what the hip surgery will do to his guard, but even assuming that's not affected - would a Big Nog operating 60% better than we've seen so far in the Octagon be able to beat Lesnar?

I'm not so sure. Even if he does, I still think he'll take big damage in the doing, and I'm not sure how many more shots he can take given what he's absorbed so far before he risks permanet damage - assuming that hasn't happened already. And as Fedorlei alluded to, the current refs available to the UFC are pretty strict on preventing a fighter from taking massive damage. This is unfortunate for Nog, for as we all know, being pinned flat on his back taking a hellacious beating just means he has his opponent right where he wants them (usually seconds from being submitted).

But given how nasty Lesnar's G'n'P has been historically, and the likelihood of Nog being taken down with ease and beat on, I don't think any of the current refs will give him the latitiude he needs to survive the assault and submit him.

It all adds up to Lesnar being a bad stylistic matchup for him. I'd like to see him come back from surgery and take on a mid tier guy - both to give him a tune up and, frankly, because it's deserved. I hate to be the one to say it out loud, but Nog's UFC career has been less than stellar (the only opponent he's beaten that's still with the org is Couture, and his losses have both been decisive finishes.)

Edit: Turns out Herring is still on contract with the UFC, so the sectio in bold above is factually inaccurate. My bad, I'll try to check my facts before posting next time.

[ckauffman28]

idk about soares being the worst manager in mma ( i think M1 or Cook takes that) but you cant really make a guy have surgery if he wants to tough it out. Although someone should have told him he should have took care of it his last sit out with injuries.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by YukonJordan

I do strongly question Nogueira's thought process however. For a guy who's bread and butter is his jiu-jitsu and hip movement to continue fighting for over four years with a hip injury without getting it fixed is really really stupid. Yet another reason I think Soares is the worst manager in MMA. If he was ever in the know about this injury (hard to believe he wouldn't be) he should have stopped Nogueira from training or fighting and had him in to see a specialist right away.

I think the issue is progressive injury. If, for instance, it only started with hampering him 5-10%, I can certainly understand Nog forgoing a fairly risky surgery if there is a chance it will get better--or if he believed there was a chance it would get better. Then it's 15-20%, then 20-35%...at some point he had to feel the reward outweighed the risk.


I'm very interested in seeing his comeback. Despite the beatings he's taken, he's young, and marketable. I don't think they'd give him lesnar, because if he beats brock, brock is done as a legitimate threat in the eyes of the casual fan. But if he beats a C level guy [Struve, Schaub] we'd get to see if there was an increase in his performance, and you can start rebuilding his credibility as a top performer again, and start looking at B level guys, like a rematch with Mir.

rh

[jody]

I'm with RH,Nog's still pretty young,and if he's been fighting that long with a hip injury,I'd like to see what he's got without it.Start from the bottom,shake the rust,then start talking bigger names again.

[YukonJordan]

Originally Posted by ckauffman28

idk about soares being the worst manager in mma ( i think M1 or Cook takes that) but you cant really make a guy have surgery if he wants to tough it out. Although someone should have told him he should have took care of it his last sit out with injuries.

No but to let a fighter continue fighting injured (not talking about general training camp injuries here) then Soares simply isn't doing his job and is putting his paycheck ahead of his fighters' welfare.

Originally Posted by rivethead

I think the issue is progressive injury. If, for instance, it only started with hampering him 5-10%, I can certainly understand Nog forgoing a fairly risky surgery if there is a chance it will get better--or if he believed there was a chance it would get better. Then it's 15-20%, then 20-35%...at some point he had to feel the reward outweighed the risk.


I'm very interested in seeing his comeback. Despite the beatings he's taken, he's young, and marketable. I don't think they'd give him lesnar, because if he beats brock, brock is done as a legitimate threat in the eyes of the casual fan. But if he beats a C level guy [Struve, Schaub] we'd get to see if there was an increase in his performance, and you can start rebuilding his credibility as a top performer again, and start looking at B level guys, like a rematch with Mir.


rh

At the start to me it would be acceptable. However after an extended period of time like six months to a year where it simply wasn't getting better then I would immediately get that looked at.

[Y2JUBAE]

Brock would maul him. This is a fight i do not want to see. I hate seeing Nog fight anymore, I think it's about time he hangs up the gloves. I mean, how much more punishment can his body take at this point?

[FarBeyndDrvn]

Apparently he wants another go at getting run over by a truck.