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Just to let you all know, just because CSAC suspended him in Cali doesnt mean he cant get licensed anywhere else. Since this is in New Jersey, he should have no problem getting a license with a clean urine sample that he "supposedly" already provided to Sacramento last month.
a. that was an obvious joke

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b. its very rare that one state athletic commission will go against anothers rulling especially if its a result of a drug test.
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a. that was an obvious joke

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b. its very rare that one state athletic commission will go against anothers rulling especially if its a result of a drug test.
I guess since I got suspended in Indiana and licensed for a fight in Kentucky I dunno what i'm talking about? Seriously you can take it however you want, I was just saying. I knew it was a joke about Barnett failing the drug test, but I dont doubt he gets licensed if he pisses clean. I wasnt suspended for PED's either, it was Alcohol actually because i had a few shots to calm my nerves because I was nervous as fuck. I wasnt trying to start a fight or an argument, just saying if you piss clean more than likely you'll get licensed.
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I guess since I got suspended in Indiana and licensed for a fight in Kentucky I dunno what i'm talking about? Seriously you can take it however you want, I was just saying. I knew it was a joke about Barnett failing the drug test, but I dont doubt he gets licensed if he pisses clean. I wasnt suspended for PED's either, it was Alcohol actually because i had a few shots to calm my nerves because I was nervous as fuck. I wasnt trying to start a fight or an argument, just saying if you piss clean more than likely you'll get licensed.
with major organizations they dont usually because itll look like a slap in the face to the other state and worth more trouble then it was worth. if the suspension were to be repealed the state would more then likely be involved because it is somewhat high profile. even if all i was saying was that its not like rh was talking out of his ass.

and isnt this what happened to chael?
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I actually see it playing out:

Coker fucks up and half the bouts don't get promoted.

Barnett fails to get licensed in CA, and Rogers wins by default.

Fedor beats Bigfoot, but it goes into the second round, spawning legions of Fedor haters to talk about how he's overrated and sucks.

Overeem decides to fight Brad Imes for the all-new Sinister Fighting System HW belt in Singapore, but is surprised to find they require Olympic-calibre drug testing before the bout. Shockingly, on the way to the testing station, he comes down with intestinal failure and bows out of the card. Imes wins by default, and Coker still doesn't strip AO of the SF HW belt.

Werdum gives a great interview about how he's looking forward to facing Fedor.

Arlovski returns to form as the shaggy, unshaven aggressor he used to be. Kharitonov knocks him out anyway.

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Kharitonov beats Rogers in a wonderful slugfest, marred only by the voiceover of SF announcers.

Coker calls the rest of the tourney off for undisclosed reasons.

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with major organizations they dont usually because itll look like a slap in the face to the other state and worth more trouble then it was worth. if the suspension were to be repealed the state would more then likely be involved because it is somewhat high profile. even if all i was saying was that its not like rh was talking out of his ass.

and isnt this what happened to chael?
I thought it was funny....but Josh isn't even suspended is he?

He got caught...never showed up in front of the commission....took a year off of fighting in the states...lost his fighting license....now has to re-apply from scratch.

The CSAC is and has tried to make an example of Barnett....not only in the past, but again more recently.

Instead of just letting him re-apply like a normal guy, they 'ambush him' as Barnett tweeted -

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The CSAC are being dicks in my opinion....but not much different than lets say the DMV....go in to update your license and get ambushed with having to pay parking tickets or some shit.

I hope that Barnett doesn't have any problems getting licensed. If the commission strongly urges/forces him to go make anti steroid speeches to kids I think it would be ridiculous and complete bullshit.

If he tests clean 2 months before...tests clean a week before....tests clean the day of before and after the fight....that is damn well good enough for me.
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with major organizations they dont usually because itll look like a slap in the face to the other state and worth more trouble then it was worth. if the suspension were to be repealed the state would more then likely be involved because it is somewhat high profile. even if all i was saying was that its not like rh was talking out of his ass.

and isnt this what happened to chael?
woah man I'm not trying to start a fight or cause problems. I just used RH's quote because everybody has been acting like it's so far-fetched that Josh Barnett willl get licensed and it was the last post before I posted. All I was trying to say it's not as far-fetched as people may think. I know I wasnt in the big leagues but the Athletic Commissions do act the same regardless.
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woah man I'm not trying to start a fight or cause problems. I just used RH's quote because everybody has been acting like it's so far-fetched that Josh Barnett willl get licensed and it was the last post before I posted. All I was trying to say it's not as far-fetched as people may think. I know I wasnt in the big leagues but the Athletic Commissions do act the same regardless.
what? when did i say anything regarding fighting or arguing? lol
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Alright I am going to put in my two cents as to how this is going to play out.

Round 1

Fedor over BigFoot by second round submission

Werdum over Overeem by first round submission. I think that Overeem will hurt Werdum early and make the mistake to follow him to the ground in an attempt to finish the fight. Werdum will then make him look stupid and tap him quickly.

Arlovski over Sergei by Unanimous Decision

Rogers over Barnett by KO in the second. Barnett will have to be clean and I think that Rogers has enough power to end Josh's night. Listen we don't know how long Barnett has been taking PEDs and how much that has helped him in the past. Rogers has one thing going for him and that is he has a killer punch that can end anyone's night.


Second Round

Fedor over Rogers by first round submission

Arlovski over Werdum by decision, I don't think that Andre would go to the ground with Fabricio and Werdum doesn't have the skills on the feet to beat Andre.

Final - Fedor over Arlovski by 3rd round KO. Andre isn't going to be as foolish as he was in the first fight, no flying knee attempts. But I still think that his chin will come back to bite him when after winning the standing battle he gets crumpled again by Fedor.


I know that most people want to see this tournament as a set up for Fedor vs Overeem but I don't see this happening. I still think that Overeem is one faceted and a great BJJ practitioner can expose him. Fedor got caught as everyone does and I think that anyone with a brain would realize that Werdum is not better than Fedor on most nights.
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I dont know how relevant this is, but im always hearing people talk about AO's Ground Game. n how he lacks it so bad...Why does this man hold more Submission victories than KO or DEC..And when he loses it's either By KO or DEC more then it is to being subbed.

Like seriously the only person to sub him with bjj was Werdum n he's a fuckin god when it comes to grappeling.
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I REALLY don't want to be a cynical fuck in this thread! I really, really, superduper don't want to shit all over Coker's GP efforts, but there's just soooooo much that can go wrong here and it drives me batshit bonkers!

First and foremost, the fact that Fedor, Overeem and Werdum are all in the same bracket is far beyond my comprehension, because they're not only the three highest ranked HWs in the tourney, but they're arguably the most recognizable and biggest draws(given their recent bouts and the fact that Arlovski has fallen off the radar these past few years and Rogers has gotten dummied in his last two outings) on the Strikefarce HW roster and the chance that somebody like Sergei or Barnett gets all the way to the finals with zero Strikefarce publicity, coverage and investment just seems like a bad move.

The chances that Barnett gets to the finals in this prestigious tourney with HIS trackrecord is not only risky, but what if he pisses dirty? It's not like Strikefarce has really invested in building HIM as one of their premiere HWs for the past year or so like Overeem or Fedor and he's got the faaaaar lighter bracket. Hell, Rogers just recently went all the way to a decision with Warpath Villareal for chrissake and Arlvoski hasn't won a bout since his awesome "with referee assisted standup" against Big Country!!! And not to be a dick, but Sergei got his ass handed to him by Monson via NC choke and nearly got KO'd in his NYE fight vs. the natural LHW Mizuno, so why stack the on bracket so heaviliy with HOMEGROWN(or relatively so in comparison, let's just call them Showtime veterans) stars and give such underknown HWs a far easier route to a GP final, that could eeriliy end in their favour and all of a sudden, the 'Farce has a HW world champion that most of the country has never heard of? And, the chances that it's Barnett in the finals is pretty massive and the baggage HE brings along with his is astronomical!!!!!!

Why they didn't set the whole tourney up like the PRIDE Middleweight GP did with the intended finale being Wand/Chuck, but this time with Fedor/Overeem is retarded and while I'm fine with Fedor having to go through Bigfoot, the chance that Werdum gets turfed by Overeem in 15 seconds not only destroys any possibility of a Fedor/Werdum rematch in the tourney(maybe a lighter opening bout for Werdum may have helped....), but it desperately deflates the cache of the eventual rematch if Werdum or Fedor loses their respective bouts and can't meet. I understand that one way or another, Coker wants to have Fedor vs. either/or Overeem/Werdum, but what if Bigfoot beats him??? Wouldn't it have been smarter to start immediately off the bat with Werdum/Fedor II, so no matter what they give Fedor his much needed revenge bout???

So, let's just say that Fedor takes Bigfoot out in Rd. 1. I think it's a helluva hard fight for Fedor and if it's a war, what are the chances he comes out unscathed? If he IS injured(given his hand injuries in the past), how badly will he risk his legend and record going onward in the tourney against stiffer and stiffer company??? Does anybody really think Fedor, at his age and history will be able to go through Bigfoot, Overeem and let's say Barnett without serious injury? Or will he mysteriously be unable to continue? Which at which point, where does that put your tourney???

I think Overeem takes Werdum in fifteen seconds to two minutes via bullrush MDK, but if he doesn't fight smart and keep his distance, I think he gets armbarred within the first two rounds. In the end though, I think he's too smart to get pulled into the legendkilling guard of Werdum and tees off on him. But, here's a good question, are Overeem's tourney bouts 5 rounds? If so, that's a pretty hearty disadvantage...

That puts Overeem/Fedor, which ends in Fedor winning via armbar, but given the quick stoppages here in the states, if it's not Big John, Fedor better be careful, because Overeem's striking is retarded and he's so strong that I fear that unanswered shots will result in an early stoppage. Fedor's been invinsible for all but like 15 seconds and I'll take him over Alistair, but it's close.

I'll take Barnett over Rogers via sheer technical superiority and ability to avoid the literal bumrush that is Grim's entire offensive strategy and think he'll take either the Russian or Belarusian, who both haven't looked even close to their primes in a LONG TIME!

In the finals, I'll take Barnett in a five round? UD over Fedor for the overall GP, because he's just got more tools to couple with the size disparity to finally truly BEAT Fedor, who while the greatest of all time, has never fought a fighter as well rounded and complete, WITH massive HW size as Barnett.

Barnett will be the new Strikefarce HW champion and he will then piss dirty, thus fucking up another organization. If he doesn't piss dirty....well, I'll cross that path IF we come to it, but I think Barnett takes the whole thing because he doesn't have to go through Bigfoot, Overeem, Werdum and Fedor on his way and probably maintains a better physical condition and comes in healthier than whoever comes out of the other bracket. I wouldn't be surprised if we see more than one alternate as well, which at this point I will point out, that I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this tourney ends up looking like UFC 3......SERIOUSLY.

I'll say it again, I don't want to be a cynical fuck about this tourney! On paper, it looks so great as a true FAN of MMA, but there's very little Strikeforce does right and this just has too many weakspots to be one of those brightspots. I see this becoming a Dana White Twitter "" at the end of the day.
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