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What lesson did Frank Mir learn from Jones vs Evans? Don't train with guys in your weight class! - MMAmania.com

Mir:

"One lesson I learned from Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans is if there's any heavyweights in the UFC, I'm not gonna train with them anymore. Why would you? That's a potential opponent. If he gets any kind of advantage over you in the gym, learns a secret or knows something about an injury, that could potentially cost you a lot of money. I think in the future if guys are smart, they'll stop training with guys in their own weight class."

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[GangGreenWarrior]

The big flaw in Mir's logic is ironically also the current Achilles Heel of Frank Mir. If you aren't training with heavyweights who are good enough to compete at the UFC (or other top organization) level, then you are going to be ill prepared when you face that top level in your fight. In Mir's case, if he's not working with big wrestlers then how is he going to be ready the next time he faces a Lesnar or Carwin type fighter. Having Forrest Griffin on top of you and having Lesnar on top of you are two completely different things. Maybe if Mir brought in a few giant heavyweights, he'd get better at avoiding cage rape.

[NLRepublic]

This might work a little better for the lighter guys as opposed to the heavier guys

A BW, FW, LW, WW etc training with guys above or below them in weight would be easier to get away with than it would be for the HWs. If a HW is training with guys who are always smaller than him it could be detrimental. I see his point though

[Y2JUBAE]

Either that or you can just say to hell with it, I'll fight anyone.

[beau420]

Yeah Frank....go train with a bunch of LHW....then next time you step in the ring and feel the power from a big HW fighter, you will go to sleep.

If you train with a guy over and over again, regardless of who it is, you probably know a few things they like doing and repeat....if you can't grow and evolve as a fighter and learn to counter what they are doing or prevent it from happening, you deserve to lose.

I don't really get what Frank is saying. I know what he is trying to say, but I don't think he is right.

My problem is the not going 110 percent against someone you know and trained with (see most recent Inside MMA and Mike Kyle's words and Dan Miller's explanation) not one thing my opponent does that I can't prevent him from doing or counter it.

I mean, if you know what the guy is going to do, and you have actually worked with them and felt that move, don't you think you have a better chance of defending it as opposed to someone who has never seen it live or felt it live and in person before?

If I know a guy has great leg locks, and have never trained with him before, I think I would have less a chance at defending them as opposed to a guy who has trained defending leg locks against him before.

[singhc]

this can work if ur in any division other than HW..... i think its beneficial to train with ppl larger than you and if he trains with guy smller he'll always have the size edge

[Pasha K]

So by Frank´s logic, if you are smart and a HW, then you should train with LHWs and MWs.
Question is what is he going to do when he fights someone who actually is at the same weigh as him?

[Daellusx]

Or these guys could train with non-mma fighters. Learn wrestling from international level wrestlers who are bigger than you. Get some K-1 guys to teach you stand up. Hit the boxing gym for lessons in boxing. Towards the end of your camp come back to your home gym and work with your head trainer to put it all together.

That would probably be a better way to avoid having to fight guys you spare with.

[VimyRidge]

Originally Posted by GangGreenWarrior

The big flaw in Mir's logic is ironically also the current Achilles Heel of Frank Mir. If you aren't training with heavyweights who are good enough to compete at the UFC (or other top organization) level, then you are going to be ill prepared when you face that top level in your fight. In Mir's case, if he's not working with big wrestlers then how is he going to be ready the next time he faces a Lesnar or Carwin type fighter. Having Forrest Griffin on top of you and having Lesnar on top of you are two completely different things. Maybe if Mir brought in a few giant heavyweights, he'd get better at avoiding cage rape.

cage rape

Completly agree.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by GangGreenWarrior

The big flaw in Mir's logic is ironically also the current Achilles Heel of Frank Mir. If you aren't training with heavyweights who are good enough to compete at the UFC (or other top organization) level, then you are going to be ill prepared when you face that top level in your fight. In Mir's case, if he's not working with big wrestlers then how is he going to be ready the next time he faces a Lesnar or Carwin type fighter. Having Forrest Griffin on top of you and having Lesnar on top of you are two completely different things. Maybe if Mir brought in a few giant heavyweights, he'd get better at avoiding cage rape.

Agree with what your saying but you can understand what he is saying. You need to be able to train with people your own size or to your opponents size but not somebody that is a possible fight.