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[Rufio]

Tim is underrated. He also KOed Ricco, Wes Sims, and Gan McGee. He's more about power and size than skill, but just look at his track record. I hate the guy, and Cro Cop would destroy him, but he's got to be placed in or near the top ten.

[vegas bushido]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

not many UFC nuthuggers would agree but anyone that knows anything about striking would

Chuck leaves his chin hangin out, doesnt guard his face, his stance is way too wide, his elbows are spread too far apart, when he swings he leaves the middle of his body open, and those wide looping punches were amusing for a minute but in reality they are just crappy punches that only work on average strikers.. which is pretty much all hes fought in the UFC.. a striker like Shogun who is very accurate, puts together very good combos, guards his face, and can knock you out with leg kicks isnt gonna fall for BS like that, he will pick apart sloppy ass punches like a lot of the ones Chuck throws.. Chucks a great fighter because of his WRESTLING he is a tremendous wrestler that can keep any grappler striking with him, he has a ton of knockout power and any average striker will not beat him.. thats the key to his sucess and why he is so good.. he is NOT by any means a world class striker, but a world class fighter cuz of his elite wrestling and WORLD CLASS KO POWER.

What does it matter how he wins? hes a fucking winner and you admitted he is a world-class champion fighter. What does it matter if he drops his hands or leaves himself open? If by NOT doing the things you mentioned made you a great fighter then guys like Jens Pulver who has very good tecnique would win every fight by knockout instead getting knocked out by people like Gomi who does keep his hands low and isnt as fundamentally by-the-book. You say that chuck is kind of a sloppy striker but has worldclass KO power....so if he has has amazing power and very good accuracy...wouldnt that make him a worldclass striker? This isnt boxing..this is fighting where the best fighter wins..and its usually Lidelle.

I have to disagree with you on Rampage. Im just not as impressed by him as everyone else in the world. i guess I just remember him getting knocked out twice by Silva, completely destroyed by Shogun and DECISEVLY beaten by Ninja ( Ninja got robbed). Yes he did beat chucks ass but Im not so sure that would happen again. i guess we will see.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by vegas bushido

What does it matter how he wins? hes a fucking winner and you admitted he is a world-class champion fighter. What does it matter if he drops his hands or leaves himself open? If by NOT doing the things you mentioned made you a great fighter then guys like Jens Pulver who has very good tecnique would win every fight by knockout instead getting knocked out by people like Gomi who does keep his hands low and isnt as fundamentally by-the-book. You say that chuck is kind of a sloppy striker but has worldclass KO power....so if he has has amazing power and very good accuracy...wouldnt that make him a worldclass striker? This isnt boxing..this is fighting where the best fighter wins..and its usually Lidelle.

I have to disagree with you on Rampage. Im just not as impressed by him as everyone else in the world. i guess I just remember him getting knocked out twice by Silva, completely destroyed by Shogun and DECISEVLY beaten by Ninja ( Ninja got robbed). Yes he did beat chucks ass but Im not so sure that would happen again. i guess we will see.

I dont see your point..

[vegas bushido]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

I dont see your point..

Huh? What is there not to see? there is no punchline to the post..it is what it is. the only thing I can say is that Chuck may be sloppy but he sure does know what he is doing and he does it very very well.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by vegas bushido

Huh? What is there not to see? there is no punchline to the post..it is what it is. the only thing I can say is that Chuck may be sloppy but he sure does know what he is doing and he does it very very well.

Did I say he didnt? I said he was a great fighter.. but im saying people think because he knocks people out he has the best striking technique, and is a world class striker and can outstrike anyone.. not true, his technique is not good but it doesnt have to be when he goes up against average strikers with worse technique then he has.. and hes just gonna knock em out cuz he has powerful hands.. and when he faces a striker what makes him great is the ability to take those fighters to the ground and beat them that way.. thats why Chuck is great, can he outstrike a worldclass striker? doubtful.. he can probably knock them out but blow for blow he doesnt stand much of a chance but the thing is he can take most of them down and beat them that way thats why he has such a good record, is champ, and is a top fighter in MMA.

[Wildbill]

Hi guys,Im totally new to this site and of course my first post but here goes.Im more of a pride fan than ufc mainly for the fighters,rules,and the fact that refs in the ufc call the fights too early.My opinion on rampage vs chuck 2 is that it would be a great fight.I do think chuck is a better fighter than he was when they first fought.Rampage on the other hand has never looked as good as he did then.He seemed broken mentally after the 2nd fight with wandy.Those were totall wars and I think both wand and rampage may have left a little of themselves in the ring.Chuck on the other hand has had it pretty easy since then.Honestly though I think rampage will have a mental edge in facing chuck rather than another great from the chutebox academy.He did clearly out strike chuck in that fight and its not like he has to worry about knees,footstomps or soccer kicks from chuck.I think he has a pretty good chance.I do think ufc rules are the perfect match for chucks style though.I disagree that shogun is better with his hands than chuck.He throws a lot of inaccurate shots with no power behind them.Of course his kicks and knees are far better than chucks and his style is perfect for getting in the gap.I actually think wand is the best kryptonite for chucks style.More so if they fought in pride.Wand can take serious punishment and recovers almost instantly when hurt.He also pulls guard like a champ under heavy fire.The only time he really was out of it was the Lhk from cro cop and that could have knocked anyone out.The fight with vitor was called way too early as he wasnt even hurt.The question is will these two ever meet?Hopefully they will before too long.Wandy of old would destroy chuck at his best no problem,but he has been in way more wars.

[Punk Ass]

Originally Posted by Wildbill

Hi guys,Im totally new to this site and of course my first post but here goes.Im more of a pride fan than ufc mainly for the fighters,rules,and the fact that refs in the ufc call the fights too early.My opinion on rampage vs chuck 2 is that it would be a great fight.I do think chuck is a better fighter than he was when they first fought.Rampage on the other hand has never looked as good as he did then.He seemed broken mentally after the 2nd fight with wandy.Those were totall wars and I think both wand and rampage may have left a little of themselves in the ring.Chuck on the other hand has had it pretty easy since then.Honestly though I think rampage will have a mental edge in facing chuck rather than another great from the chutebox academy.He did clearly out strike chuck in that fight and its not like he has to worry about knees,footstomps or soccer kicks from chuck.I think he has a pretty good chance.I do think ufc rules are the perfect match for chucks style though.I disagree that shogun is better with his hands than chuck.He throws a lot of inaccurate shots with no power behind them.Of course his kicks and knees are far better than chucks and his style is perfect for getting in the gap.I actually think wand is the best kryptonite for chucks style.More so if they fought in pride.Wand can take serious punishment and recovers almost instantly when hurt.He also pulls guard like a champ under heavy fire.The only time he really was out of it was the Lhk from cro cop and that could have knocked anyone out.The fight with vitor was called way too early as he wasnt even hurt.The question is will these two ever meet?Hopefully they will before too long.Wandy of old would destroy chuck at his best no problem,but he has been in way more wars.

Nicely put. I agree, but im hoping whatever Rampage has left is more than enough to kick Chuck's ass, and it should be. I think he is still the same old Rampage, but he just fought stiffer competition. No shame in a LHW losing to Wand and Shogun in devistating fashion. Most LHW do.

The only question with Wand is if he can recover and not have a glass chin after thast KO. Sometimes being KOed in that Fashion can leave perminant brain damage making a fighter more suseptable to KOs in the future. Emanuel Steward said this about Roy Jones, and there were other boxers this happend too. Hopefully not Wand.

[Wildbill]

Originally Posted by harlemhustla145

Nicely put. I agree, but im hoping whatever Rampage has left is more than enough to kick Chuck's ass, and it should be. I think he is still the same old Rampage, but he just fought stiffer competition. No shame in a LHW losing to Wand and Shogun in devistating fashion. Most LHW do.

The only question with Wand is if he can recover and not have a glass chin after thast KO. Sometimes being KOed in that Fashion can leave perminant brain damage making a fighter more suseptable to KOs in the future. Emanuel Steward said this about Roy Jones, and there were other boxers this happend too. Hopefully not Wand.

I agree and also hope this wont happen to wand.A lot of people are starting to write wand off like he is a has been.People are acting like chuck is somehow better than wand.Let me say that wand has done more than chuck has by a long shot and against tougher competition.Wand was undefeated for what 5 yrs?He beat sak 3 times,rampage 2 times,went toe to toe with hunt (I think he won that),matched cro cop once.How many tournaments did he win?How many tournaments did chuck win?
I do agree that chuck beat guys that would give wand a hard time...tito and randy.As they could take wand down and win by lay & pray,but they could never hurt him.Chuck would also beat arona I think because his takedown def.The only real stain on wands record is vitor and I think wand would have desroyed him if the fight wouldnt have been called premature.As for that kick from cro cop anyone can be ktfo from that.