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05-02-2011, 06:52 AM
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Even with a win over Tito, Bader isn't in the mix. He's never beaten a solidly ranked top 10 fighter, he'd still be 2 wins away--over ranked opponents--if he gets past a diminished ortiz.
If Davis beats Evans, I'd say a Machida matchup would be great. If Evans wins, he should get a shot and Lyoto can face the winner of Forrest/Shogun to determine who is next.
If rampage beats Hamill--and he really should--a Machida rematch would be interesting, but I don't think a win over Hamill earns him a title shot on it's own. But I'm clearly biased, I don't even think he beat Lyoto. I'd probably give him Bader, assuming Bader wins.
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05-02-2011, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by sonofsteven  Got to agree here. BS decision or not Page did win over Machida.
Rashad should be the #1 if he wins. But if Davis wins(not happening IMO) then Quentin should be the next in line as Phil would need at least one more quality win before going for the gold. | Didn't the fight metrics have Rampage ahead of Machida? I too thought it was initially bs but I believe Page was more effective the 1st 2 rounds.
Doesn't anyone have any other material that suggest Machida won round 1 or round 2?
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05-02-2011, 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by roaddawg Didn't the fight metrics have Rampage ahead of Machida? I too thought it was initially bs but I believe Page was more effective the 1st 2 rounds.
Doesn't anyone have any other material that suggest Machida won round 1 or round 2? | Yes, the fightmetric report gives the dec to Machida. 33 to 16 in significant strikes. Click the Decision/TPR tab. Fightmetric Winner:Lyoto Machida FightMetric: Rampage vs. Machida FightMetric Report
In fact, Lyoto had every round in significant strikes (what else really matters, there was no grappling). Rampage had more total strikes in r1&2, but a draw would have been the only reasonable conclusion in Page's favor, not a win.
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05-02-2011, 07:58 AM
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Very weird situation here as far as title shots go but this is my take.
If Rashad beats Davis then he is the #1 contender. Winner of Hammill/Page should fight Machida for next.
If Davis beats Evans and Rampage beats Hammill then Page should get next and Davis would fight Machida. Evans and Hammill could then hook up.
If Davis and Hammill both win they should fight each other and Machida could then fight Jones. Evans Page would then meet.
I see Shogun and Bader both winning their respective fights so I would match them up with each other should that be the case.
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05-02-2011, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by sonofsteven Got to agree here. BS decision or not Page did win over Machida.
Rashad should be the #1 if he wins. But if Davis wins(not happening IMO) then Quentin should be the next in line as Phil would need at least one more quality win before going for the gold. | Yes but why would he fight hammil and then not fight until a title shot opens. The title fight between jones and rashad may not happen until next year, assuming rashad wins. then another couple of months after that. At this stage in rampage's career he cant keep on the sideline for that long. A rematch with machida would be good for both of them. Machida a chace to avenge a loss and rampage to get a "real" or more decisive win. Think how long rampage would have to wait to get a title shot, why not get another fight. Get a payday, and another good win on his record.
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05-02-2011, 08:32 AM
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If rampage beats Hammil, then he is the #1 contender behind Evans. Machida beating Randy should not move him any closer to a title shot. Randy had only beaten Vera and James Toney....that does not warrant title contention, except for the fact that he is Randy Cotoure.
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05-02-2011, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CtGreat If rampage beats Hammil, then he is the #1 contender behind Evans. Machida beating Randy should not move him any closer to a title shot. Randy had only beaten Vera and James Toney....that does not warrant title contention, except for the fact that he is Randy Cotoure. | I agree with this except for one thing. If Rampage and Evans both lose, and that's a big if, then he would be in the conversation by default.
I don't think Evans and Page will both lose but stranger things have happened.
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|  Machida credits training changes, Seagal for UFC 129 win over Couture
Machida credits training changes, Seagal for UFC 129 win over Couture | MMAjunkie.com Quote:
"I train this kick a lot," Machida said. "I've had it in my arsenal, and I just had to wait for the right moment to pull the trigger and utilize it. The technique itself [Silva and I have] both known for a long time. But I definitely think Steven Seagal being involved and influencing us and helping us perfect the kick definitely made a difference.
"[Seagal] always reinforced that to me – to try that kick. 'That kick will land, and it will work.' I definitely give credit to him for helping me perfect that kick."
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But prior to the finish, Machida showed other signs of improvement. Gone was the plodding pace often seen in recent losses to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and Mauricio "Shogun" Rua, and in it's place was a spritely Machida, avoiding the clinch at all costs while firing off the occasional pinpoint punch.
"The Dragon" credited an adapted approach to training for the noticeable change in his pace.
"The training was pretty much the same, but we did hire some different people to add on to our team," Machida said. "We brought in a nutritionist, a different coach to help out in different areas. The training was pretty much the same, but I did adapt and make some changes to it.
"The main changes were to my strength and conditioning. I made a lot of changes there and also to my karate. I went back and trained a lot of karate that brought me to where I am today."
| So let's add Machida to the list of fucking liars along with Anderson Silva. Both fucking liars.
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05-02-2011, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement | Buddy. FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME.
what the hell makes you think lyoto and anderson are behind the segal bullshit. Why would they ever do something like that. it was mostlikely the work of ed soares.
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05-02-2011, 10:09 AM
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I say machida v hamill when he beats page, i feel people looking past hamill, hes got the tools to beat rampage and thats his great wrestling. If not machida can fight the janitor, guys 40 and still is a beast, not a contender but def a legit fighter to use as a keeper of sorts. beat him and ur in the mix
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