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[rivethead]

Originally Posted by KevoOnTheRadio

Am I the only one that doesn't care if he ever fights in the UFC again?

No, you aren't. He's had one great fight in his entire career, and he lost it. That doesn't offset the volume of nonsense he's produced, and I'm not a fan of fighters without integrity.

If he's gone, he's gone. Not a big loss.

I'm sure there will be some attempt to inflate his accomplishments and make him into a folk hero [Lee Murray is a good example] but in all sincerity, I don't care if I see him fight again.

rh

[FCK]

Nope I certainly couldn't care less about his career in MMA.

He's a proven and convicted criminal, professional cheat, liar, and he tried to cover it all up at every opportunity.

This goes far and away over what any other MMA fighter has done (except Lee Murray) but I don't know why the UFC would want to have anything more to do with him as he just seems like disgusting desperate character that has probably been cheating for years in MMA.

And that's the thing, he doesn't mind lying, or cheating, or money laundering, and the guy talks sooo much shit; why on earth should anyone believe he wouldn't do the whole lot again?

[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by FCK

Nope I certainly couldn't care less about his career in MMA.

He's a proven and convicted criminal, professional cheat, liar, and he tried to cover it all up at every opportunity.

This goes far and away over what any other MMA fighter has done (except Lee Murray) but I don't know why the UFC would want to have anything more to do with him as he just seems like disgusting desperate character that has probably been cheating for years in MMA.

And that's the thing, he doesn't mind lying, or cheating, or money laundering, and the guy talks sooo much shit; why on earth should anyone believe he wouldn't do the whole lot again?

this is not far and away worse then what rampage did are you crazy?

[RonPaulForPeace]

atleast he did go all rampage, or use fake urine. I mean he did bad shit yea but theres been worse done, rampage is a classic and he still around. And to say he only got one good fight and he lost it is nuts, he beat top 5 marquart and okami, and handed silva his ass for over 20 mins and yea he lost but he made silva look beatable for the first time in his ufc career

[Kimbo> Rampage]

yes if he lied, and they can prove that, he will have more problems.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

yes if he lied, and they can prove that, he will have more problems.

It's already proven. He admitted he gave false information about his contact Kizer already. He's not going to say it was a lie, but liars rarely admit to lying.

rh

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by rivethead

It's already proven. He admitted he gave false information about his contact Kizer already. He's not going to say it was a lie, but liars rarely admit to lying.

rh

He admitted that he lied about not tapping against filho, but i dont recall him ever admitting him lying under oath, there is a huge difference.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Most posters seem to be missing a few key points. Sonnen is a convicted felon. It doesn't matter if it's white collar crime, what matters is that it's a felony. The AC hasn't made a ruling on his status, they're taking time to review the case. This is actually the best of potential outcomes, in that they're willing to invest resources to handle each case of a convicted felon applying for a license on a case by case basis. What they could do--and are not--is simply say "No convicted felons get licensed in California. Ever. End of Story." and then go about their daily lives. Yes, it takes time, and that sucks for Sonnen, but he's the one who made his decisions.

The other key point is that he did lie in his testimony, on several points. He's already admitted lying about the interaction with Kizer and getting licensed in NV, and he lied about self-administering dosage for the last few years. It was the only part of the testimony where the--thoroughly unprepared--representatives from the AC caught him out bold-faced. When Sonnen was asked what dosage he routinely used, he said he wasn't sure and gave an astronomically high number, and one of the panel pointed that out. I would imagine [well, it's really more like hope] that the AC has employed some expert endocrinologists to review the case and they'll be tying up the loose ends.

The timing sucks. It should have been done sooner. The first hearing was a horrible travesty, and it looked like Sonnen got away with a vast amount of misdirection and outright misrepresentation. But he's the one who screwed up--by going to far with the Kizer reference--and opened the door for the rest of the testimony to be reviewed.

In the best of all possible worlds, the CSAC would have had the knowledge and organization to resolve this the first time through. We don't live in the best of all possible worlds. I'll settle for getting it right the second time, since Sonnen was the one who opened the door for review. If the sport is to move forward into the mainstream, it simply can't have convicted felons who think nothing of lying under oath given carte blanche to fight on the biggest stage in the industry. There needs to be review, and I'm glad they're committing to a case by case basis instead of simply rubber-stamping it "LICENSE DENIED."

rh

Actually he's NOT a convicted felon. Well he is technically but he's on probation for the charges which suspends everything. I'm not sure what probation he's on but something like Deferred Adjudicated probation wipes the record clean after probation is completed (again, in the state of Texas, not sure how it works anywhere else). He only would be a convicted felon if he somehow violated his probation and then the charges would kick in to effect. Being on probation doesn't even show up on your background checks for jobs, etc. Probation is basically a suspended sentence.

Aren't you too young to be so cynical Riv? I love it man.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Actually he's NOT a convicted felon.:

I want an av bet with you, anything to get rid of that eyesore.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

I want an av bet with you, anything to get rid of that eyesore.

Oh I know he was convicted of his crime...and I probably should of worded that differently but you failed to quote the rest of my post. His probation suspended his conviction of sorts and if he completes his probation, it would get stricken off his record...well if he's on deferred adjudicated probation. So basically my post is all speculation but still.

Av bet with me? Why?