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[IceCold48]

Originally Posted by rivethead

No, you aren't. He's had one great fight in his entire career, and he lost it. That doesn't offset the volume of nonsense he's produced, and I'm not a fan of fighters without integrity.

If he's gone, he's gone. Not a big loss.

I'm sure there will be some attempt to inflate his accomplishments and make him into a folk hero [Lee Murray is a good example] but in all sincerity, I don't care if I see him fight again.

rh

what? i thought his second filho fight and the marquardt fight were awesome. they even wrote an article in sports illustrated about how great his fight vs nate was and how it saved the card.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

He admitted that he lied about not tapping against filho, but i dont recall him ever admitting him lying under oath, there is a huge difference.

OK, I'll try to dumb it down for you: Under oath, he stated to the CSAC that he had been cleared by Keith Kizer personally to fight with testosterone replacement therapy in the state of Nevada. That's one lie, right there.

Kizer then went on record saying "No, nothing like this ever happened." Sonnen then admitted that he'd never spoken to Kizer and that his manager told him that he'd spoken to Kizer on his behalf. That's acknowledging that he did not provide accurate and truthful information to the CSAC under oath. Even if he doesn't admit to outriight lying, it's the same thing.

A second issue that should come up if the CSAC does their homework is that [again, under oath] he was asked what the dosage was for his self-administered injections. when pressed, Sonnen gave an astronomically high figure--for injections he was allegedly giving himself regularly for years now. One of the panel called him out on it, and he didn't have an accurate answer. This should also be reexamined by a licensed endocrinologist, if the CSAC has any sense.

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Oh I know he was convicted of his crime...and I probably should of worded that differently but you failed to quote the rest of my post. His probation suspended his conviction of sorts and if he completes his probation, it would get stricken off his record...well if he's on deferred adjudicated probation. So basically my post is all speculation but still.

As I understand it, he'd still be considered a convicted felon until the terms of his probation are resolved. Again, it's state to state, and I have no idea what they do in Oregon.

Originally Posted by IceCold48

what? i thought his second filho fight and the marquardt fight were awesome. they even wrote an article in sports illustrated about how great his fight vs nate was and how it saved the card.

The second Filho fight was a great fight? As in, a great performance against a great opponent? I'm going to have to differ. Whatever a pre-drug/batshit crazy Filho might have been, he wasn't in that fight. He was literally swinging at opponents who weren't there. And Sonnen still couldn't finish him.

The Marquardt fight was a solid win, but I still wouldn't call it a great fight. Sure it won FOTN, if I remember, but what did it have to compete with? Couture and Coleman's old-man-athon? I can't even remember another fight from that card, it sucked so bad.

rh

[carbondioxide830]

and to answer an important question as to why i DID NOT rank chael in my recent mma rankings, here ya go. imo, you can't/shouldn't rank a guy who is in limbo whether it be legal troubles, in between moving weight classes, etc.

i realize in reality that chael sonnen is indeed a top tier middleweight, but the question is, when will be his next fight? not to mention, his last was a loss (say what you will) so there are a lot of things against chael right now, but i have no doubt when he returns, we'll see a more determined chael to get that middleweight title...unfortunately if he does get that shot, i see the result being the same, but more devastating .

[Cat--Smasher]

Chael Sonnen's Struggle With the Truth Isn't Just His Problem -- It's Ours, Too

The trouble started when Sonnen appealed his suspension for elevated testosterone levels following his title fight at UFC 117 by claiming that he needed the extra testosterone for a legitimate medical condition. He even brought a doctor in a really nice t-shirt to back up his story, and he claimed that he'd had a conversation about his use of testosterone with Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director Keith Kizer.

Kizer, however, denied ever having any such conversation with Sonnen. When he confronted Sonnen on it, Sonnen offered an explanation for his comments that Kizer dubbed "ridiculous."

Basically, he lied to California about what he'd said to Nevada, then lied to Nevada about what he'd said to California. Since this all happened at right around the same time as his guilty plea on federal money laundering charges, Sonnen has started to seem like the kind of guy no reputable athletic commission wants to give a license to, and it's hard to blame them.

Then again, stretching the truth until it snaps in half is nothing new for Sonnen. It's just that it used to be a lot more fun for the rest of us to listen to. Remember when he went on a radio show and claimed that Lance Armstrong had given himself cancer with his own steroid use? Remember when he then went on Jim Rome's show that and claimed those comments were made by some guy with a "Hispanic accent" impersonating him?

He was lying to us then, and we knew it. What's more, he knew that we knew it. Maybe that's what made the whole thing seem almost harmless. It was so ridiculous that at least it felt like he wasn't seriously trying to get away with anything.

It's the same with the pre-fight smack talk he directed toward UFC middleweight champ Anderson Silva and his camp. The stuff he wrote on Twitter (and yes, that was his Twitter, though he lied about that too) about Brazilians being a "piglet tribe of savages" and speaking a language that's one step up from pig Latin? That's some absurdly racist stuff. Only he didn't take too much heat for it, perhaps because it's even more absurd than it is racist.

But while fight fans might cut you some slack as long as you manage to be entertainingly offensive and dishonest, athletic commissions are another matter. When it comes to what substances were in your body when, and who you did and did not tell about it, they want serious answers rather than funny ones.

And, oh yeah, in case you wondering? They are actually going to check up on the accuracy of what you tell them. So that's something to consider.

But fans and media, we ate it up when Sonnen completely disconnected himself from reality ahead of UFC 117. We got caught up in the moment. Instead of ignoring his schtick, we practically begged him to turn up the volume. So he did, and we only encouraged him further.

Then the time came to tell the truth in a situation where the truth really mattered, and, well, by then Sonnen was out of practice. He'd gotten accustomed to a different type of cause and effect, and suddenly the behavior that had once earned him more air time now threatens to keep him out of the cage even longer.

Chael Sonnen's Struggle With the Truth Isn't Just His Problem -- It's Ours, Too -- MMA Fighting

[singinkangaroooo]

all of this just made Chael seem like a con man with great fighting abilities.. he is a slick-shit talking guy who can fight if it comes down to it and hell win... they could make a TV show starring him and he goes all Burn Notice on bitches...

but really the only fight im interested in seeing him in is against Anderson... i think he is just better than everyone else and has a shot at beating Silva but he is already booked so this is kinda irrelevant for now