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[Malice]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

Call me an idiot, but I think AA is a tough matchup for CroCop and Fedor. Just a feeling, though.

Funny I was typing the same exact thing.

[SimpleJack]

Originally Posted by Rockx

Funny I was typing the same exact thing.

Glad you agree. Sylvia's height just made AA into a different fighter than he usually is. He needs to get his head out of his ass and realize he isn't a great boxer. Good boxer, but he has other skills he should be using in the cage.

[NearDark]

In the heavyweight division, anyone can go down from a good punch. Fedor may lose a fight or two before his career is over; it means nothing...do we think less of CroCop for having a few losses? Or Wanderlei for having several losses? The biggest issue is whether the fighter can come back from the loss.

Fedor has been rocked before and has been tired in fights before but always managed to pull out the win. Those fights could have gone either way.

Mark Hunt, had he bothered to learn any ground game at all, could have beat Fedor easily. Fedor had no answers early on for Hunt's size and strength on the ground. Hunt could have very easily locked that arm out and submitted Fedor. Even if Hunt had won, it doesn't take anything away from Fedor. No one goes undefeated in MMA, just like in boxing.

However, Hunt and Fedor will never meet again, now that Pride has put in a Super Heavyweight Division. Super Heavy divisions have been tried in boxing before and it has always failed; I think it will in Pride too. If a 220 or 230 pound fighter feels the heavyweight division is too strong or big, he can drop to 205. Heck, even Fedor could make 205 if he did more situps. I don't think there is a need to squeeze another division in...either fight at heavyweight or fight at 205.

[SimpleJack]

Marciano? Mayweather?

[NearDark]

I was going to mention Marciano but I didn't want to turn it into a boxing thread, so kept the references to a minimum. Mayweather is another, and Miguel Cotto and Ricky Hatton haven't lost yet either. I should have clarified that I was talking about the heavyweight division though. In the heavyweight boxing division, going undefeated for a long career is so rare it's pretty much not heard of anymore.

If Fedor continues to fight into his late 30's it's possible he'll drop a fight to a younger hungier fighter...perhaps even a man like Josh Barnett can pull out a victory over Fedor, and I guess that was my point...anyone on that list for the poll who fight at the extreme level of Pride's best are capable of beating Fedor. Doesn't mean they will do so, but they are all capable of winning.

[SimpleJack]

It's very possible. I just think he's so far ahead of the others now that he seems indestructible.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by NearDark

In the heavyweight division, anyone can go down from a good punch. Fedor may lose a fight or two before his career is over; it means nothing...do we think less of CroCop for having a few losses? Or Wanderlei for having several losses? The biggest issue is whether the fighter can come back from the loss.

Fedor has been rocked before and has been tired in fights before but always managed to pull out the win. Those fights could have gone either way.

Mark Hunt, had he bothered to learn any ground game at all, could have beat Fedor easily. Fedor had no answers early on for Hunt's size and strength on the ground. Hunt could have very easily locked that arm out and submitted Fedor. Even if Hunt had won, it doesn't take anything away from Fedor. No one goes undefeated in MMA, just like in boxing.

However, Hunt and Fedor will never meet again, now that Pride has put in a Super Heavyweight Division. Super Heavy divisions have been tried in boxing before and it has always failed; I think it will in Pride too. If a 220 or 230 pound fighter feels the heavyweight division is too strong or big, he can drop to 205. Heck, even Fedor could make 205 if he did more situps. I don't think there is a need to squeeze another division in...either fight at heavyweight or fight at 205.

Agreed with most of what you said. Here is my opinion, I think Hunt showed some holes in Fedor's game finally. If Hunt spent more time on the ground training, we could be talking about how he scored the upset of MMA history. I mean come on, Hunt had a decent keylock on Fedor and this is a guy that has probably never gone for a submission before in his life. Could you imagine if that had been Barrent or Nog instead? We would all be talking about what it was like to see Fedor tap out or have his arm broken.

As for the poll, I think Cro Cop, Barrent, and Nog all have a chance. Plus Hunt if he starts to focus on his ground game.

[NearDark]

I wasn't trying to downplay Fedor in any way by saying he could be beaten by the other fighters listed. I'm just always wary when the "undefeated" buzz is built up to an enormous level. Everyone can be vulnerable.

It could be that Mark Hunt could have submitted about anyone else if he was in the same position as he was with Fedor on the ground. I'm still amazed Fedor got out of the first attempt...I haven't watched the fight again but I remember him arching his back and his arm popped loose somehow.

But yes I agree, Fedor is way ahead of everyone else. It may end up being a case of Fedor beating himself, as he almost did with Hunt.

[BigJoe111]

Guys I know this won't be a popular call, but I think that Sylvia could pose a real threat to him, just based on size. I thikn that Sylvia's size makes anyone he fights against a different fighter and I don't see that being any differrent with Fedor. I am not saying that Fedor would lose to Sylvia, but Tim's size and his endurance would make the fight interesting. I would say that Cro Cop, Barnett, and Nog could also beat him, but I say Tim has the best chance, just becuase I think he could control the fight's pace and Time has become more difficult to finish then when he fought Mir earlier in his career.

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by strife

4 i think

big nog lost to fedor twice and one nc