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[strife]

Originally Posted by baba

Who got the other 6% of the MMA promotion of the year??

UFC -- 84%
Pride-- 10%
???-- 6%

And as antagonizing as Tim Sylvia is, I'm surprised Frank "youtube toughguy" Glamrock only got 8% of the biggest assclown vote.

Strikeforce/IFL

[baba]

Originally Posted by strife

Strikeforce/IFL

So nothing for the WEC. Or were they not a choice?

[Bran]

i agree with most of them. but barnett/nog 2 was actually a lot better of a fight than the first one imo

[Dan0]

Originally Posted by thelegendrvb

Well now I feel like a dumbass. Sorry everyone.

P.S. Love the sig WadoKai.

Hey Legend,

Did you lose a sig bet to PalmaWrestler too???

[Legend]

Originally Posted by Dan0

Hey Legend,

Did you lose a sig bet to PalmaWrestler too???

No I lost an av bet to AudieMurphy. That rat bastard. lol

Originally Posted by WadoKai

Thanks, it's difficult to reciprocate though.

Yeah I like the sig but what I really meant to say was I love the av. My bad.

[dagreat1]

Well, I ofcourse must rip the results.

Fighter of the Year - How does St. Pierre win this fighting only twice in a single year? I just don't understand how that could even be considered above Barnett and Cro Cop. St. Pierre dominated Hughes but was dominated by Penn. I'm baffled at that decision to award St. Pierre foty, baffled.

Fight of the Year - Kudos, I agree, that was a phenomenal fight and deserved the nod, Hansen vs Azeredo and Diego vs Karo were exceptional as well but for me round 3 of Diego Karo clearly took that fight out of the race as Karo had nothing left in the tank therefore round 3 was not as exciting and inturn the fight as a whole was not as good as Barnett vs Big Nog.

KO of the year - Cro Cop over Silva should've taken this without question, Smith vs Sell was a miraculous punch but Sell was not even out cold while Cro Cop completely laid out the #1 LHW in the world who had never been KOed in his professional career topped with the manner in which the KO took place, complete decimation, easy choice IMO.

Submission of the year - Aoki vs Clay French, FLYING TRIANGLE CHOKE, need I say more (yes I do)? Aoki is one of the best grapplers in MMA, he has an even nastier rubber guard than Penn, just ask #5 ranked LW Hansen who just got owned on NYE. MacDonalds submission was just a regular triangle, he did not even throw it up effortlessly, he had to work hard for it, but why is that triangle choke winnign this award? It should either be Aoki with the flying triangle choke or Monson over Lee Hinkle as those were the 2 most unique submissions of 06. If MacDonald got he nod because it was an upset victory then why not put Aoki for his sub over Hansen at NYE or Akiyama over Manhoef at the K-1 GP?

MMA Promotion of the Year - In terms of accomplishments, UFC certainly gets the nod but what exatly does the "promotion of the year" entail? In terms of which MMA organization put on the better promotion, Pride easily takes this as their fight cards were phenomenal as usual and the OWGP was one of the greatest events in MMA history. Not clear on what the POTY was pertaining to.

Comeback of the Year - Agreed, Barnett going 0-1 in 05 and then 5-2 in 06 with his only losses to 2 top 5-10 p4p fighters in MMA including wins over #3 HW, 2 top 10 HW and a top 10 MW/LHW. I don't consider a guy fighting someone and almost losing the decision then the promotion getting scared and putting him in back to back fights with a 42 year man whom the sport has far surpassed inorder to get the big promation via Chuck vs Tito II. I consider that very underhanded and doing everything short of actually fixing fights to dictate the outcomes.

Breakthrough Fighter of the Year - Vera fought 3 times with the only decent fighter being Ausserio. I think Yoshihiro Akiyama should've won this rather easily by going 6-0 in 06 including wins over Smirnovas, Manhoef and Sakuraba and winning the K-1 GP and against a world class Cro Cop, Le Banner, Hunt and A. Silva caliber striker whom outweighed Akiyama by 12-15lbs (Manhoef). Far more of a breakthrough year for Akiyama. Popularity contest, sure Vera wins that in the US.

Most Improved Fighter of the Year - Cro Cop was already world class in 05, he just hit a speedbump in the form of Fedor and Hunt and they would both beat him again in 06 IMO so he did not improve as drastically as others. I would have to go with Diego on this one, his game has reached incredible heights when comparing it to him last year. Swick has improved as well though not as drastically IMO from what I have seen from him and his competition in 06.

Most Underrated Fighter of the Year - I would have to say Akiyama, not enough publicity on K-1 so not as many are familiar with the fighters. Diego, Rashad, Manhoef and JZ are all very underrated as well.

Most Overrated Fighter of the Year - I'm going with Kongo, the reason is because the guy had absolutely no business whatsoever being hyped in the manner in which he was, he beat a can in rather unimpressive fashion (looked very sloppy and slow for a supposedly K-1 world class caliber fighter) and then in his next fight finally was exposed for the can he was. Riggs on the other hand actually has skill, look at his fights before and during the UFC, he has not lost to a can so the winner of this award should clearly go to the fihgter with very little skill and tons of hype, Riggs does not fit the criteria as he has skill (it is hyped/exaggerated/amped, etc. but it is still skill).

Biggest Upset of the Year - Without question I agree, Pulver going down was huge (especially how quick it was).

Biggest MMA Story of the Year - Agreed, UFC and all of their aquisitions get the nod.

Most Disappointing Fighter of the Year - Frank Mir was not even expected to be able to walk again so him being able to compete in professional fighting should not come as a dissapointing year, the accident should but the fact that he was not able to compete at the level he was before shattering his leg in 4 places, surely not a dissapointment and if anyone was expecting something special out of him after his accident, you were overly optimistic and sadly mistaken. Kharitonov and AA both had very dissapointing years.

Kharitonov was sitting in the top 10 and moving up by leaps and bounds, he defeated Werdum even with an injured shoulder in which he injured during the fight, then he lost to Overeem and disslocated his shoulder in the fight, then was picking Aleks apart in the standup with his world class boxing and then got careless and ended up eating a punch and ultimately losing the fight. Same with AA getting beaten twice by Sylvia and dropping out of the top 10 in rankings IMO.
Kharitonov having only lost 1 MMA fight in his career and it coming at the hands of Big Nog to going 0-2 in 06 and dropping from the top 10 in rankings.

Both fan choice awards I certainly agree with, St. Pierre in the US has been the most popular fighter this year and everyone seems to be on the bandwaggon (with the exception of myself due to him seemingly being injury prone and getting dominated by Penn and me feelin that it would happen again if they were to fight again). I am close but am not going to jump the gun just yet as he may end up being that injury prone fighter with a short lived career and everyone always bringing up the "what if's" about a healthy St. Pierre and comparing him to Fedor as many do now, he has a very far road to travel to reach those heights, be patient.

1 line responses are not saying a thing, in depth responses are needed in this case, enjoy.

[Luis Cruz]

Originally Posted by strife

So let me get this straight, you asked our opinion just to put up a percentage even though you had predetermined them through you staff? This seems stupid to me, why ask our opinion if you don't care!? Why not just have the 1 poll that we had any effect on as the only one we vote on?

NOTHING was decided until yesterday, there was no predetermined choices, that's why we had the polls. I looked at the majority and tried to see the argument for them. The main ones i didn't go with were fighter of the year because gsp while only had 2 great wins, they were against #1 and 2 in his division at the time. Mirko beat two blown up 205lbers and a guy whose not even ranked in any top top ten (yoshida), that was my reasoning there. Fight of the year i went with Barnett/Nog because i didn't think enough people here even seen that fight and i really thought it was a better fight than Karo/Diego. Both were good but to me the first was much better.

Anything else i missed?

[Legend]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Fighter of the Year - How does St. Pierre win this fighting only twice in a single year? I just don't understand how that could even be considered above Barnett and Cro Cop. St. Pierre dominated Hughes but was dominated by Penn. I'm baffled at that decision to award St. Pierre foty, baffled.

I certainly do see your point on this issue. GSP only fighting twice in one year with one of his victories being a split decision and a controversial one in many fans eyes. The reasoning I think someone would make an argument for him is that he defeated the #3 and #1 WW's in the world and winning the title. Whether you believe he beat Penn or not is not that important. In the record books he has the W. I do believe Barnet should be considered for the fighter of the year, however, he loss to Big Nog at Shockwave drops he out of the running imo. I say Cro Cop for winning the best MMA tournament of all time and defeating Wandy and Barnet in one night.



Side note: I might add I do agree that he was dominated by Penn. In the first round yes. There is no question about that. But I believe he squeaked out the second and definitively won the third. Now if your judging the fight as a whole (like in Pride) then I could see that fight going to Penn, however, in the 10 point must system GSP won imo.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Fight of the Year - Kudos, I agree, that was a phenomenal fight and deserved the nod, Hansen vs Azeredo and Diego vs Karo were exceptional as well but for me round 3 of Diego Karo clearly took that fight out of the race as Karo had nothing left in the tank therefore round 3 was not as exciting and inturn the fight as a whole was not as good as Barnett vs Big Nog.

I was split between Big Nog and Barnet or Diego and Karo. You do make a decent point about Karo running out of gas in the third but it was still a good round. Either choice would be fine with me.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

KO of the year - Cro Cop over Silva should've taken this without question, Smith vs Sell was a miraculous punch but Sell was not even out cold while Cro Cop completely laid out the #1 LHW in the world who had never been KOed in his professional career topped with the manner in which the KO took place, complete decimation, easy choice IMO.

Agreed. You took the words right out of my mouth. The Smith Sell Ko was very dramatic and out of nowhere but Cro Cop Ko'ing the MW (LHW) champion via LHK gets my vote.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Submission of the year - Aoki vs Clay French, FLYING TRIANGLE CHOKE, need I say more (yes I do)? Aoki is one of the best grapplers in MMA, he has an even nastier rubber guard than Penn, just ask #5 ranked LW Hansen who just got owned on NYE. MacDonalds submission was just a regular triangle, he did not even throw it up effortlessly, he had to work hard for it, but why is that triangle choke winnign this award? It should either be Aoki with the flying triangle choke or Monson over Lee Hinkle as those were the 2 most unique submissions of 06. If MacDonald got he nod because it was an upset victory then why not put Aoki for his sub over Hansen at NYE or Akiyama over Manhoef at the K-1 GP?

Agreed. The MacDonald triangle was nothing special imo. Not sure why is got the nod. If it were up to me it would have been Schafer Arm-Triangle Choke on Rob MacDonald for the simple reason that I hate Rob MacDonald so much. It was beautiful seeing his head bounce off the mat when he was choked out.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

MMA Promotion of the Year - In terms of accomplishments, UFC certainly gets the nod but what exatly does the "promotion of the year" entail? In terms of which MMA organization put on the better promotion, Pride easily takes this as their fight cards were phenomenal as usual and the OWGP was one of the greatest events in MMA history. Not clear on what the POTY was pertaining to.

Yeah in terms of accomplishments the UFC wins hands down. They really did not have any all around super great cards like the OWGP finals. However, Pride did put on some not so great shows as well. I.E. The Real Deal and Bushido 13.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Comeback of the Year - Agreed, Barnett going 0-1 in 05 and then 5-2 in 06 with his only losses to 2 top 5-10 p4p fighters in MMA including wins over #3 HW, 2 top 10 HW and a top 10 MW/LHW. I don't consider a guy fighting someone and almost losing the decision then the promotion getting scared and putting him in back to back fights with a 42 year man whom the sport has far surpassed inorder to get the big promation via Chuck vs Tito II. I consider that very underhanded and doing everything short of actually fixing fights to dictate the outcomes.

Yes Barnett is the comeback of the year with out a doubt. Ortiz did nothing special thus far accept lasting longer with Chuck this time around.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Breakthrough Fighter of the Year - Vera fought 3 times with the only decent fighter being Ausserio. I think Yoshihiro Akiyama should've won this rather easily by going 6-0 in 06 including wins over Smirnovas, Manhoef and Sakuraba and winning the K-1 GP and against a world class Cro Cop, Le Banner, Hunt and A. Silva caliber striker whom outweighed Akiyama by 12-15lbs (Manhoef). Far more of a breakthrough year for Akiyama. Popularity contest, sure Vera wins that in the US.

I have to admit I am not too familiar with Akiyama as I do not watch too much K-1. Only reason is not having the money too order their PPV's. (The little woman is a UFC fan and the rest of my money goes towards Pride) However, now that Bullock, Ace, and Ronin are around I hope to educate myself soon. Anyway, Vera has proved nothing to me yet. He beat Eilers a guy coming off back to back KO losses and who is not that good to begin with. Then he defeated and good fighter but who is very hot then cold in Assuerio Silva. And lastly he defeated Mir whose best accomplishment since his return has been showing up in shape to his last fight. Really not sure why everyone is on the Vera bandwagon this soon.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Most Improved Fighter of the Year - Cro Cop was already world class in 05, he just hit a speedbump in the form of Fedor and Hunt and they would both beat him again in 06 IMO so he did not improve as drastically as others. I would have to go with Diego on this one, his game has reached incredible heights when comparing it to him last year. Swick has improved as well though not as drastically IMO from what I have seen from him and his competition in 06.

Diego is my pick also. He went from a TUF'er to the elite of one the best divisions in the world.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Most Underrated Fighter of the Year - I would have to say Akiyama, not enough publicity on K-1 so not as many are familiar with the fighters. Diego, Rashad, Manhoef and JZ are all very underrated as well.

Again my vote goes for Diego. He is heavily underrated due to the majority of fans just not liking him. I do not care what anyone says Diego is a world class fighter who if he continues to grow will be a champion one day.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Most Overrated Fighter of the Year - I'm going with Kongo, the reason is because the guy had absolutely no business whatsoever being hyped in the manner in which he was, he beat a can in rather unimpressive fashion (looked very sloppy and slow for a supposedly K-1 world class caliber fighter) and then in his next fight finally was exposed for the can he was. Riggs on the other hand actually has skill, look at his fights before and during the UFC, he has not lost to a can so the winner of this award should clearly go to the fihgter with very little skill and tons of hype, Riggs does not fit the criteria as he has skill (it is hyped/exaggerated/amped, etc. but it is still skill).

Yeah Kang was overrated as hell and was hyped for the sole reason that there are very few good HW's in the UFC. The division is in better shape now with Cro Cop and Crazy Horse but still needs some help. It's just off of life support now. Riggs is a good fighter whose major and seemingly only real problem is his tendency to crack under pressure. He just can not perform to his abilities when it matters most. Anyone who considers him a can is ill informed.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Biggest Upset of the Year - Without question I agree, Pulver going down was huge (especially how quick it was).

For sure the biggest upset of the year. Nothing else comes close. How often do you see an unknown KO a former world champion in his return fight to his home organization.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Biggest MMA Story of the Year - Agreed, UFC and all of their aquisitions get the nod.

Yes big news for the UFC and MMA as a whole.

[Legend]

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Most Disappointing Fighter of the Year - Frank Mir was not even expected to be able to walk again so him being able to compete in professional fighting should not come as a dissapointing year, the accident should but the fact that he was not able to compete at the level he was before shattering his leg in 4 places, surely not a dissapointment and if anyone was expecting something special out of him after his accident, you were overly optimistic and sadly mistaken. Kharitonov and AA both had very dissapointing years.

Kharitonov was sitting in the top 10 and moving up by leaps and bounds, he defeated Werdum even with an injured shoulder in which he injured during the fight, then he lost to Overeem and disslocated his shoulder in the fight, then was picking Aleks apart in the standup with his world class boxing and then got careless and ended up eating a punch and ultimately losing the fight. Same with AA getting beaten twice by Sylvia and dropping out of the top 10 in rankings IMO.
Kharitonov having only lost 1 MMA fight in his career and it coming at the hands of Big Nog to going 0-2 in 06 and dropping from the top 10 in rankings.

AA gets my vote. Going from one of the top HW's in the world and the UFC champion to getting beat twice in a row by a guy he totally outclasses is very disappointing.

I did not expect Mir to do much after his return. He already had a reputation for not wanting to put the work in at the gym. So considering his injuries you know you're going to have to work very hard to come back from that and I felt like he was not willing to do so.

Originally Posted by dagreat1

Both fan choice awards I certainly agree with, St. Pierre in the US has been the most popular fighter this year and everyone seems to be on the bandwaggon (with the exception of myself due to him seemingly being injury prone and getting dominated by Penn and me feelin that it would happen again if they were to fight again). I am close but am not going to jump the gun just yet as he may end up being that injury prone fighter with a short lived career and everyone always bringing up the "what if's" about a healthy St. Pierre and comparing him to Fedor as many do now, he has a very far road to travel to reach those heights, be patient.

1 line responses are not saying a thing, in depth responses are needed in this case, enjoy.

Yeah GSP is the most popular fighter of the year and I am on the bandwagon and have been since his first UFC fight with Karo. I do hope these past two injuries have just been bad luck for him. To my knowledge he has not had a problem with consistent injuries until recently. So I hope this will not be a trend for him. I hope my response were in depth enough for you.


P.S. I had to split the post bc it was too long. Hint Hint dagreat. jk buddy

[Luis Cruz]

Ok that's way too long to reply to so i'll just hit some stuff quick. I already explained the GSP/Mirko FOTY pick. There were 3 top WWs and GSP was one, he beat the other two. Let's not get crazy there was no controversy, he beat Penn. Penn had a really good first round and that was it, GSP took over after that. Penn is a great fighter so to give up a round to him or win a close decision doesn't make you any less of a fighter, it actually places you higher just for beating him. Then he dismantled #1 Hughes like no one else before him could, Hughes was NEVER in the fight for the entire time. And again, Mirko beat two blown up 205lbers and one HW thats not even a top maybe not even top 15 fighter anymore in that division in Yoshida. That gives him a good win by beating Barnett, choice made.

The KO of the year WAS Smith/Sell, no question. Just like RVB said even though he didnt mean it like this, Mirko ko'd a blown up 205er. It was a great KO definately, but you could see the KO coming by the beating he was taking. Just the way the Smith/Sell one happened and ended was classic. I don't think either guy was completely out cold so that didn't factor in.

Sub of the year, i was actually torn and kind of wanted Aoki there but i leaned with the forum for that one cause of the reason you mentioned that most people might not have even seen that triangle. Seeing Herman choked out was good though, cause some people need to be brought back to earth and that triangle was locked in a while. Hinkle was a good one too cause he was comletely out.

Promotion of the year is what brand took bigger strides forward not nessessarily which had better cards. So with that UFC does win easily.

Breakthrough went to Vera because he destroyed the guys he's faced as he should have. No one expected him to kill a back in shape Mir but he did, or handle Silva like he did. Akiyama faced absolute nobodies in MMA except Manhoef which is an impressive win. The Saku stoppage at NYE was BS so that don't even count. Vera is #1 contender right now in the UFC, not saying much there, but he did breakthrough and that's the award.

Mirko's overall game has drastically improved, compare his first fight with Wand to this last one and look at his ground defense, he's miles apart in every aspect from when he started in MMA after K-1. The others are good too, but Diego looks the same to me, he has shown the same game that got him to where he is now, i think he was just underrated before. Swick has improved also.

Everyone still believed Mir was going to be a contender for the title when he came back, that's this award, most disappointing. Although Sergei does make a good case also.