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[Vigilo]

The most important aspect of being a champ is having a big...

ego

[Monsterman]

Josh Barnett said you just simply have to beat the other guy in 2 of these 3 things. (striking, takedowns and grappling)

So the perfect champ could also look like this..

-Decent stand up so people can´t just walk in hands down and ko you, and they have to block when you attack.

-Great all around takedowns. Not just a double leg. Rampage style slams, Colemans shot and Fedors upper body takedowns etc.

-Great grappling. Shinya Aokis guard, Barnetts subs from sidemount etc.

Originally Posted by jjhk001

One thing that got me tired of watching a lot of MMA matches was when grapplers (primarily greco-roman/freestyle wrestlers) would take down their opponents, and stay in the full guard and try to pound out a decision or a stoppage due to strikes. A lot of the time, the wrestler would stay in full guard and throw strikes - ala Tito - when these wrestlers couldn't pound out a stoppage, the fight would go the distance - very boring to me. I am glad to see people like Liddell, BJ Penn and GSP, people who can frustrate grapplers with their athletic ability and takedown defense to the point where these grapplers must rely on something else in their arsenal which is not as good as their grappling skills. I for one hate to see GNP as so called "skill" in MMA - I found it hard to believe that Mark Coleman is credited with being a pioneer in the "technique" of GNP? Is that really true? .

So Fedor vs Nog 1 And Fedor vs Heath Herring were boring fights because he used GnP. If you think GnP is not a technique and you don´t need skill to use it you are obviously an idiot.

[dagreat1]

Originally Posted by jjhk001

I was primarily describing Liddell - One thing that got me tired of watching a lot of MMA matches was when grapplers (primarily greco-roman/freestyle wrestlers) would take down their opponents, and stay in the full guard and try to pound out a decision or a stoppage due to strikes. A lot of the time, the wrestler would stay in full guard and throw strikes - ala Tito - when these wrestlers couldn't pound out a stoppage, the fight would go the distance - very boring to me. I am glad to see people like Liddell, BJ Penn and GSP, people who can frustrate grapplers with their athletic ability and takedown defense to the point where these grapplers must rely on something else in their arsenal which is not as good as their grappling skills. I for one hate to see GNP as so called "skill" in MMA - I found it hard to believe that Mark Coleman is credited with being a pioneer in the "technique" of GNP? Is that really true?

Yes and yes. gnp is certainly a technique and is widely and successfully used throughout MMA. Coleman is the pioneer of gnp and Fedor has redefined it. Before Coleman no one was using the ability to take a fighter to the ground, keep him there, then proceed to smash his face into submission. Coleman and Kerr had some of the nastiest gnp early on, they used their headbutts and that was such a huge weapon for them as the human head is battering ram.

It is just like any other aspect/skill of MMA. GNP is the skill of body control and strikes via punches, knees, forearms and elbows. Grappling is the skill of body control, chokes and joint manipulation.

Fedor uses gnp nearly every fight and is the best fighter in the world.

In today's MMA fighters have become very well rounded in more than 1 aspect of MMA and most of them utilize gnp at some point in their career.

Take Cro Cop in the Pride 2006 OWGP, in the semi finals vs Silva he used GNP via hammer fists, same thing in the finals vs Barnett, hammer firsts and punches from the guard.

Gomi has sick gnp as well, most recently, take his fight with #4 ranked LW Ishida who is primarily a gnp fighter, Gomi completely and utterly dominated Ishida using GNP after the initial punch dropped Ishida by using a plethora of hammer fists.

GNP is a very important aspect of MMA, if you are a grappler and take a fighter down but they have great sub defense, you will not get the submission and the fight will scored very closely. Therefore you must use the gnp to rack up points in the case of a decision, also, you use strikes to open up submissions because if someone is open for strikes you must hit them until they cover up and you can bait them with punches in order to lock on a submission.

[Renny]

Kurt Angle's 3 "I"

Integrity
Intensity
&
Intellegients


Cant go wrong with that.

[BigBanda]

Originally Posted by Renny

Kurt Angle's 3 "I"

Integrity
Intensity
&
Intellegients


Cant go wrong with that.

ok? btw it's "intelligence"

[blah]

I say heart, skill, respectfulness. Definitely heart, and eloquence doesn't hurt either.

[AJL416AZ]

in terms of fighting? style doesnt matter. just win

but in terms of personality traits necessary?
that is the difference between say, Tim and Chuck. very different guys, only in mental facets of the game, and that makes them so different as champs. they are stylistically similar; good TD defense, big for the division, immense KO power, technically awkward. but Chuck's style ties into his mindset and personality. he always looks for the win, from bell to bell. Tim just kind of waits in limbo his last few fights, hoping for the bell to ring and them to say his name and put the strap back on him.



Heart
nobody that gets frustrated and gives up mentally holds a strap for long. as a champ you need to want to win every second of every round, and it takes heart to make sure you're able to do it


Willpower and intensity
we hate tim for using his willpower and intensity to just hold the strap, not win it in every fight, like he did in his early days. also, that same willpower keeps longtime champs training as hard as they can for months, so that they can hold the strap. do you think Hughes got where he was without sheer force of will to keep training?

marketability
only important if they have the will to keep fighting, and survive however long it takes to win. but its very important. big mouths sell big seats, but big shows in the ring also do. thats why Chuck and Tito, despite very different methods of public speaking, sell so well. Tito sells you a show no matter if you like him or not, Chuck just makes you want to watch it.

[Dork8503]

idk its hard to put it just 3 well not really but anyway, to me its tough to say , takedown d isnt a must unless your bad from the ground so to me it would be great striker, good on the ground, meaning good subs and ground control, and a chin
but if i could combine a few it would be better, great striking and speed, wrestling and subs, chin and stamina

[Clint]

Heart and Work Ethic. I realize we said no intangibles but those are the things that will make you a champ that you can't learn. The rest of the stuff you can learn in enough time.