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[Afro]

Whats the signifigant difference between Jiu-Jitsu and Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu?

[jesusatemyhotdog]

BJJ puts more emphasis on leverage rather than force in order to negate size and strength advantages.

There are other more intricate differences that strife or ubermensch could better explain, as I haven't rolled since I slipped a disc four years ago. I came from a boxing background and only spent 4 months in BJJ.

[strife]

JJ is different in its respect that it focuses a lot more on throws I do believe....where as BJJ was refined for more practical use and is known as one of the few "complete" martial arts

[Frasedog]

http://jujitsu.gungfu.com

It's a long read, but talks about the evolution of jiu jits all the way back to feudal Japan, BJJ, and Judo. Lots of interesting stuff.

[Afro]

are the submissions the same?

[Frasedog]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

are the submissions the same?

I'm pretty sure. Pretty much what I got from reading that article is that traditional Japanese JJ was deemed unnecesary at a certain point, and Judo was developed as a sport version focusing mainly on standing throws with much less enphesis on ground work. (leg lock are not permitted in judo competition either) BJJ is the evolution of more traditional JJ with it main focus being ground work and submissions of all types.

[strife]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

are the submissions the same?

Basically....traditional JuJitsu has a few pressure point holds that you will never see in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu

[jesusatemyhotdog]

From Wikipedia

The most important factor that differentiates Brazilian Jiu-jitsu from Judo and some schools of Japanese Jujutsu is that BJJ places a decided emphasis on ground fighting. While Japanese Jujutsu and Judo do incorporate training in ground fighting (newaza), with some schools favoring more ground techniques than others, few Japanese schools put as much emphasis on ground techniques as BJJ. Some, if not the majority, of BJJ schools overlook most throwing techniques entirely. Such a training regime is responsible for the great advances in ground fighting introduced by Brazilian Jiu-jitsu[citation needed], and also for weaknesses in standing grappling, which some remedy by cross training in Judo and/or Wrestling. In addition, like Judo, Brazilian Jiu-jitsu encourages "randori" or free sparring against a live, resisting opponent. Thus, students have an opportunity to test their skills and develop them under realistic conditions, while minimising the risk of injury.

It is sometimes assumed that Maeda was an expert in Jujitsu, however, while in the late 1800s Judo was considered a school of jiu-jitsu and he could use the terms interchangeably, Maeda only trained in traditional Jujitsu very briefly as a child and it is interesting to note that old Kodokan records have Hélio Gracie to be recorded as a 3rd dan in judo. Martial art historians have stated that the term jiu-jitsu was used to differentiate from the term judo which was already popular[citation needed]. Some argue that the differences are more in culture and moral goals than in the physical principles and techniques of BJJ; however, the considerable differences between BJJ and the Japanese styles include more emphasis on strikes on the ground, and holds and joint locks forbidden in sport Judo but taught in practical Judo or traditional Jujutsu. Today, the major difference of Gracie/Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu styles lies between Helio Gracie's Traditional Gracie Jiu-Jitsu for self-defense and Sport Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu designed for point competition, there is however a large crossover in techniques between the two.

[Afro]

alright thanks for the help.

[Punk Ass]

Very interesting. Well I have a question. How the hell is Sakuraba so good if Judo and JJ are not as complete as BJJ? Does anyone know who he trains with and what he knows?

After that read, I think the best styles to cross train in would be San Shou, wrestling, Judo, and BJJ=perfect fighter.