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[jjhk001]

Originally Posted by jesusatemyhotdog

If there was a 2 yr ban for a first offence, that would be the end of MMA in the US.
Many fighters would be hopping the first plane to Japan.

Is that because you think so many fighters in the UFC and other US based MMA orgs are using performance enhancing drugs?

Ha ha...nice signature...you forgot to post the rest of it, but nice one though, using the part that actually makes you look smart...obviously, you are not smart enough to see the sarcasm in my statement.

[jjhk001]

Originally Posted by RedsquareBlackbox

I think you need to lessen the severity of your naivety. What an idiot you are, taking the NSAC at its word. And I suppose whenever you hear "scientific research" the truth's been spoken. Jeez. Do your damn homework.

Are cops are good guys and troopsfreedom fighters too, huh? Funny. But not really so funny.

Dude, what do you mean by your statement above? Please explain in plain English. How am I "taking the NSAC at its word?"

What are you referring to with the statement about "scientific research?"

And what does the statement about cops and freedom fighters got to do with performance enhancing drugs?

Try to argue the points that I put forward...just calling me an idiot really misses the point of using this forum.

[jjhk001]

Originally Posted by Tokyo's bad boy

2 years!? That is absolutely absurd for a first offense. And a lifetime ban for a second is equally ridiculous. I hate performance enhancing drugs as much as the next person and I think people are entirely flawed in there thinking of "Win at all costs! Win, win, win! It's first or nothing!" If it was not for the incorrect mindset that most athletes seem to have, there would not be a need for drugs, but that is a completely different topic. In any event, 6 months for a first offense is reasonable, a fighter can still rebound from it and learn from his mistake.

Aren't you worried about protecting the purity of MMA and the UFC? I am quite concerned about performance enhancing drugs giving cheats like Thiago and Belfort an unfair advantage in their fights. I actually liked Alves, until I learned about his use of performance enhancing drugs - positvely breaks my heart - you follow a fighter and get to like him, then he cheats and in my mind, you lose all credibility. If the majority of fighters don't take steroids, then they have absolutely NOTHING to worry about when it comes to the punishments - 6 months, 9 months, 2 years, lifetime ban, whatever the penalty, if they are cheatin' they shouldn't be worried. Now, for the few cheats out there, this will weed them out and make sure they think hard about the next time they try to cheat, because it would mean they are banned for life. Do you really want to see juiced up fighters or clean fighters?

[jjhk001]

Originally Posted by tapper

i think the rules are ok now, bonnar got 9 months which is pretty stiff. i just think your ideas are unrealistic.

Hypothetically speaking, if the UFC had a policy of lifetime ban for the second offence, do you think Bonnar would try to cheat again? I don't think so, unless he is really stupid. I think he got the message with the 9 month suspension, but my point is that 2 YEARS send a strong message - you cheat, you are gone for a long time. You cheat again, you are gone for good. If most fighers aren't cheating, what do they care about the length of the suspension?

[jjhk001]

Originally Posted by 209council

The IFL is pretty harsh with their punmishmient. If a fighter tests positive, they're gone. That simple. I don't think a ban, at least in the UFC is feasable.

Why don't you think a ban is feasible in the UFC? Do you think there are that many UFC fighters that are juiced?

[strife]

5 posts in a row dude....wtf? Learn to multi-quote....

[Clint]

Originally Posted by jjhk001

1) About "destroying" a guy's livelihood for his first offence...why is it that just about every Olympic sport will ban you for 2 years if you are caught on your first offence? Are they worried about effecting a guy's livelihood or protecting the sanctity of its sports? Do you honestly buy the excuses put forth by Thiago Alves and Vitor Belfort: I ingested it unknowingly...it was in my supplements? Baseball and Football don't but that excuse, why should the UFC? Bottom line is you are responsible for what you put in your body, and you should pay the consequences for that. There are plenty of jobs out there in the white and blue collar world, where if you are caught with drugs in your system, you are FIRED...no second chances. Also, what about all those jobs that require drug testing just to get employed? Why should fighting in the UFC be any different?

A) The olympics don't pay you so the guys still have a source of income. If a fighter is banned for two years they effectively would have to retire from fighting in order to support themselves.

B) Also keep in mind MANY supplements contain ingredients that are not listed on the container through contamination. So it's much easier to accidentally ingest one of these substances than a drug that would make you fail a company drug test. You don't accidentally ingest pot but it is very easy to accidentaly ingest an NSAC banned drug or to ingest something not knowing it is illegal.

2) I'm not so sure it would be that expensive for the UFC to implement some sort of random testing outside of the testing already done AFTER the fights.

Steroid tests cost a couple of hundred dollars each and the UFC's website lists 225 guys on their roster. Even if they tested the 18 fighters for an upcoming card at $250/test this is $4500 each time they test. It adds up pretty damn quickly.

[Legend]

jjhk001 while I agree with you that using performance enhancing materials is cheating, your ideas of how to punish those guilty parties is too extreme imo.

A two year suspension is too long especially when you consider if the guy is caught in the prime of his career. Testing every fighter once a month or even every quarter is going to cost the NSAC way too much and it will never happen. And as Clint has already pointed out there is no way to control what other organizations do with a fighter who is suspended in the U.S. unless they also operate in the U.S.

Now you’re suggesting that Dana White and the UFC get more involved with trying to keep the sport clean. While that is a nice thought Dana and the other UFC officials know at least some of their fighters are using steroids. Their main concern especially when it comes to their big draw fighters is that they do not get caught. So for the UFC to step up and help further punish or help with the testing process will never happen.

I personally like to stay naive about how many fighters are actually juicing and it seems like you do too. I know it is more than I like to think it is but not as many as some will tell you. In the end I do think changes should be made. Just not the one's you are suggesting. If it were up to me for everyone who is caught and proven to have been using illegal substances I would stiffen the fines and default their win to at least a no contest. Unless they lost then it would stand as is.

Side note for you jjhk001 stop double posting. It is good you are responding to others but 5 posts in a row makes you seem like your just trying to get your post count up. Good posters hate that.

[SimpleJack]

I don't think that a lot of people on here are aware of the possibility of accidental ingestion and the difference between steroids and performance enhancing substances.
1. Supplements are not tested or governed by the FDA because they are listed as vitamins or nutritional supplements. Therefore, certain banned substances just sort of "Find their way" into supplements "accidentally". This is a company's way of securing the repeat customer if you know what I mean.
2. There is a whole list of performance enhancing substances that are in no way related to steroids such as cortisone and ephedrine. Although ephedrine was pulled from most shelves in North America, it is still VERY prominent worldwide and can be found in many supplements.

THink about this stuff before you snap a judgment.

[Clint]

Originally Posted by DonFrye

I don't think that a lot of people on here are aware of the possibility of accidental ingestion and the difference between steroids and performance enhancing substances.
1. Supplements are not tested or governed by the FDA because they are listed as vitamins or nutritional supplements. Therefore, certain banned substances just sort of "Find their way" into supplements "accidentally". This is a company's way of securing the repeat customer if you know what I mean.
2. There is a whole list of performance enhancing substances that are in no way related to steroids such as cortisone and ephedrine. Although ephedrine was pulled from most shelves in North America, it is still VERY prominent worldwide and can be found in many supplements.

THink about this stuff before you snap a judgment.

Shit like I said earlier Dayquil will make you fail a test. The NSAC has a long list of substances that are banned but not illegal in the US, so it's pretty easy to not know that it's banned.

Others that are banned might not even be performance enhancers. Like Alves, he took a diuretic all it does is make you piss a bunch. He has admitted that he took a supplement to help cut weight and didn't realize the diuretic in it was a banned substance. This didn't help his performance it just helped him cut the weight that he would have cut in a different way anyways. It's banned for safety because abusively using diuretics for weight cutting could become unsafe, not because it gives a performance advantage.