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[rivethead]

OK, so to recap:

Anderson is taller than many LHW's, with longer reach. Before camp, he walks around about the same weight as many of them. When fighting at MW, he drops weight in camp before he cuts. He virtually has the same size shoulders, chest, arms and torso of many LHW's, but because his legs are thinner, he's somehow not the same size as many LHW's.

Right. Got it.

And I'm the one who has a crazy opinion, right?


Look son, if you really feel compelled to scurry around the board and get all worked up about nearly every post I've made since work slowed down again, you're going need to do better than this punkassed nonsense.

rh

[beau420]

I did a generic google search on "Anderson Silva walks around at"

anderson silva walks around at - Google Search

Then the 2nd link Anderson SIlva NORMAL walking around weight is 220-230lbs - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums it references MMA Junkie:

Pound-for-pound king Anderson Silva speaks with his strikes | MMAjunkie.com

Silva, who said his normal walking-around weight is between 220 and 230 pounds, first learned of the possibility of moving up to fight Irvin while he was on vacation last month in Hawaii.

Silva's actions unbefitting his stature - UFC - Yahoo! Sports after Patrick Cote

“I apologize,” Silva said. “I worked hard in training to go four or five rounds. I dropped from 230 pounds to 205 and then to 185. I worked my butt off. I had a long camp preparing for the fight. I owe you guys in the media, the fans and everyone an apology. I was prepared, but it’s unfortunate what happened.”

5:30 they talk about a possible GSP/Anderson catchweight at 180.

At 6:58 Soares says Anderson is walking around at 225.

Both in this video: Ed Soares speaks Anderson, Belfort, GSP, Shogun and Machida on MMACanada.net video blog - YouTube

GSP: I'll fight Anderson Silva if UFC gives us enough time - MMA News

Anderson used to fight at 168-pounds a few years ago in Japan, so I don't know what his weight is. I think he walks around at 230-pounds, he's very big. I don't know if he can cut down.

I walk around at 188-190-pounds. Putting on or losing too much weight, for me, is very hard. I'm always about the same size, I've got an ectomorph type physique.

That is GSP talking on Anderson.....GSP seems to think Anderson walks around 230ish.

I think before or around the Hendo fight, Anderson bulked up....maybe it was earlier in 2007...either way....he gained a lot of muscle all over...and now he can't get under 180 (from what Soares says)

[TBEAR]

Originally Posted by deeznizzies

rampage, i think you're done, bro... just call it quits. you ain't winning this one. rh got you.

Agreed.....and it is no where close to an early stoppage!!!!!

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Anderson is taller than many LHW's, with longer reach.

right, we have already been over that, that is a part of size, but he doesnt have the actual weight to be consitered the same size once he gets his body fat down.

So do a lot of other fighters. That gives them an advantage at their division, doesnt make them bigger than fighters at higher classes, just because of that.

No one is going to dispute his height and reach compared to a LHW. You brought up his weight and said he was just as thick as a lot of LHW's.

Originally Posted by rivethead

Before camp, he walks around about the same weight as many of them.

Again, You state you know what walk around weight is, but you bring that up? Someone like Cain stays in shape year round like gsp. Forrest and Rampage have gotten up to 250-260... are they as big as him as well? In forrest's case he is actually taller and has the same reach as cain. The list could go on. Somone like Jon Jones is a stay in shape year round guy as well. Patrick Cote was walking around at over 220 before some of his fights, close to what JJ walks around at... does that mean he is as big as him as well?
We're not talking about walk around weight but what they weight before their cut or fight time.

Originally Posted by rivethead

When fighting at MW, he drops weight in camp before he cuts.

Yes, again that is what fighters do... He is not the only one, very few fighters dont do that.

Originally Posted by rivethead

He virtually has the same size shoulders, chest, arms and torso of many LHW's, but because his legs are thinner, he's somehow not the same size as many LHW's.

YES.

His lack of muscle mass allows him to fight at MW, same for Jones to fight at LHW. That is no secret. I have never argued that he wasnt as tall or as long or even longer and taller than a lot LHW's. That is what gives Jones and Anderson such a good advantage. Body structe and actual mass have to be taken into consideration when talking about actual size, you seem to have left out the mass part. He is not just as big as most of them in the shoulders, chest, etc like you say he is.

If he really wanted to add muscle he could become a big LHW, he is able to do that, along with a large number of other fighters with bigger frames, but not a lot of mass.

Originally Posted by beau420

he gained a lot of muscle all over...and now he can't get under 180.

Yes he has... Again we were talking about him being as big as a LHW, not being a bigger MW. That is why he could never dream of getting back down to 167 again. But he is able to get to MW time and time again... something almost no LHW's would be able to do.

And again were going back to "walk around weight" looks like I havent done my job.
Why would you search for his walk around weight for this topic?

Heres a decent article for us less versed with the weight cutting process.

Weight cutting has become as much a fixture in MMA and the UFC as tattoos and TapouT shirts.

Because weight cutting is such a large part of the sport, it's worth it for all fans to have a better understanding of the process and what fighters and commentators are talking about when they mention things like walking-weight, Pedialite, and dehydration.

Also, we'll take a look at the weight cuts of Georges St. Pierre and Anderson Silva, two people frequently mentioned in the weight cutting debate.



WARNING

What I'm about to write is information about the weight cuts of professional fighters. Do not use this article as a guide for cutting weight yourself, but instead think of it as some insight into what professional fighters are doing to make weight. Weight cutting can be dangerous, especially for people who are attempting it without proper medical consultation and supervision.

Weight cutting attempts can lead to many different health problems and even death, especially when attempted by someone who doesn't fully understand the details of the process.

Do not attempt to cut weight on the basis of this article.



Weight Cutting Has Become Common Practice

While it seems like many fighters in Japan still do not cut very much weight, weight cutting has become a fact of life in the UFC, and in North American MMA in general.

The Process Of Weight Cutting

Weight cutting can be roughly divided into four stages: dieting, equilibrium changing, sweating, and finally, the rebound following a successful weigh-in.

Dieting occurs in the months and weeks leading up to a fight where a fighter burns excessive body fat and possibly even muscle that can hinder a fighter's ability to make weight.

A fighter loses this extra mass by controlling his/her diet, while also engaging in exercise in order to burn fat. Ideally a fighter's goal will be to burn mostly fat during this phase, as opposed to muscle.

Equilibrium changing occurs in roughly the final week before the fight. During this phase, a fighter will be cutting his/her carbohydrate and sodium intake, and will start drinking a lot of distilled water continuously.

The goal of this phase is to change the body's equilibrium so that it is naturally retaining as little water as possible.

The more carbohydrates and sodium a person has in his/her body, the more water he/she will retain naturally.

By eliminating most of the body's stores of carbohydrates and sodium, the body will naturally begin to expel water. Drinking large amounts of distilled water will help "flush out the system" and speed up this process.

In a general health fact, the more water a person drinks, the less he/she retains, and this is part of the basic science of weight cutting.

Sweating occurs in the final days and hours before a weigh in.

In order to lose the maximum amount of water, a person must dehydrate within a relatively short amount of time, before the body realizes what is happening and starts to defend itself against the loss of water.

To lose water in such short order, fighters will do things like exercising wearing garbage bags, and spending time in a sauna.

Emptying the bowels is also usually an important part of this phase, though a simple laxative might be more reasonable than a colonic procedure as popularized by Gabe Ruediger on The Ultimate Fighter 5 .

Rebounding properly after the weigh in is just as important as cutting weight.

Rebounding roughly occurs in the 24 hour period between the weigh-ins and the fights.

The goal of rebounding isn't to get back to the weight before dieting, but rather, to get as close to a fighter's weight before equilibrium changing as possible.

A fighter does this by replenishing his stores of carbohydrates, sodium, and water.

Carbohydrates are replenished by continuously eating foods like pasta that are high in carbohydrates.

Sodium is replenished in the same way, though fighters who want to get a bit more scientific about it may choose to intake fluids such as Pedialite in order to regain sodium.

Gaining back water must be done at a steady pace to avoid the potential negative side effects.

Because of possible negative side effects of just chugging water, fighters may choose to regain fluids using an IV, or may otherwise drink a few gallons of water one bottle cap at a time.


The Difference Between Georges St. Pierre's Weight Cut And Anderson Silva's

Both St. Pierre and Anderson Silva are fairly large for their respective weight classes, but when people speak about Silva's weight, they talk about him as though he should be a natural 205-pounder. But somehow squeezes more water out of his body than should be humanly possible.

This is not the case, and the truth is that when they step into the Octagon, the percentage differences between their fighting weights and actual weight classes are nearly the same.

What people don't understand is what the difference in their walking weights actually means.

St. Pierre supposedly walks around in somewhere between 190 and 195 pounds, while Silva is reported to walk around in the neighborhood of 230 pounds.

That weight difference is huge, but is, in fact, far larger than the differences come fight night.

When Silva isn't training for a fight, he'll allow himself to balloon up a bit. He might be retaining a bit more fat, and he might be retaining a bit more water, if he's eating salty foods.

St. Pierre, on the other hand, is in nearly peak physical condition almost all the time, and doesn't allow himself to balloon up in weight.

Before a fight, Silva needs to diet down and lose the excess fat before he begins equilibrium changing. St. Pierre has almost no diet phase in his weight cut, and even his equilibrium changing phase may be shorter than the average, because he probably doesn't retain as much salt.

What Silva does isn't particularly abnormal. It's just more well-documented because of how far he stands above the rest of the division.

Forrest Griffin and Quinton Jackson sometimes enter training camp in the neighborhood of 250 pounds before dieting down to somewhere near 225 pounds.

Patrick Cote got up to a fat 220 pounds before dieting down to about 200 pounds for his most recent fight.

Joe Stephenson supposedly can arrive at training camp at nearly 200 pounds before eventually dieting down within striking range of the 155-pound weight limit.

In any case, the key weight to keep in mind when making fighter size comparisons is the fighter's weight right before the equilibrium changing phase, not his weight before dieting.

When considering it this way, you'll find that Anderson Silva isn't actually the giant middleweight he's made out to be, and that all the fuss over him being a light heavyweight masquerading as middleweight is a simple matter of people complaining about him being too good for his division.

Let us punish him for his excellence and make him go up in weight to fight against guys who can walk around at 250 pounds or more. (Not than Silva can't handle it.)

Anderson is as big as or even bigger than some LHW's when talking about his height and reach. He is not as big as them when it comes to his weight and mass.

Ill just drop it there... please no provoking insults that make me come back here and school you again.

[rivethead]

have you been getting injections from Paulo Filho again?

rh

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

please no provoking insults that make me come back here and school you again.

[beau420]

Just saw this on bloodyelbow...no link for the article...more of a comment or blurb. But here is the video:

Paul Daley have to cut 40 pounds in 24h (Ringside 12 Public training, Oct 19 2011) - YouTube

Paul Daley discusses how he'll lose 40 pounds in one day (seriously) before his Ringside 12 fight with Luigi Fioravanti at Ringside MMA 12 on Saturday night in Montreal.

HT: FightTime.net

Daley thinks he can do 40 lbs in a day. If he can even do 35 and get down to 175, I will be amazed. But he has a lot of water muscle.

That being said....Anderson can lose 30 lbs...maybe 35 no problem. Smart way or the quick way. But to go 5 rounds....you wanna do it the smart way.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by beau420

Just saw this on...

Pssst. beau.


no, over here. in the shadows.


why am I whispering?


because we're not supposed to comment on this anymore.


we've already been schooled and I don't want him to come back and school us again.


the first time hurt so bad.


rh

[SwordofAres]

Originally Posted by rivethead

Pssst. beau.


no, over here. in the shadows.


why am I whispering?


because we're not supposed to comment on this anymore.


we've already been schooled and I don't want him to come back and school us again.


the first time hurt so bad.


rh

I find it funny that this whole argument started because I said Fedor vs Silva was one of my super fights that never happened and Luc1n criticized it as not making sense.

Argument aside I still think it would have been a great fight! And as for the argument, Im going to side with Rivet if for no other reason than the sheer hilarity of this post.