 | |
11-20-2011, 10:44 AM
|
#1 (permalink)
|
Location: Where I live? No I ask the questions here Posts: 14,082
| Did Eddie Alvarez quit last night against Michael Chandler? Eddie Alvarez And MMA's Culture Of Quitting - Bloody Elbow Quote:
Last year, Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler quit in the middle of the biggest game of his career. Cutler had an injured knee, but nothing that seemed to be more than a nuisance. He didn't get carried to the training room on a stretcher. He didn't even have to leave the field. He stood, calmly, on the sidelines and watched his teammates lose a close game to the Green Bay Packers.
The response was instantaneous and intense. Cutler was a quitter. A loser. A coward. Jason Whitlock's was a typical column: Quote:
In the biggest game of his career, shortly after playing 30 minutes of awful football, Cutler laid down on the Bears and the city of Chicago. Hiding behind a knee injury, he tapped out in much the same way LeBron James tapped out with an elbow injury against the Celtics during last year’s playoffs.
I’m sorry. I don’t need an MRI to confirm King Cutler quit.
FOX cameras provided all the evidence I need.
| Whitlock and his cohorts in the media weren't alone. Fellow players like Maurice Jones Drew called him out on Twitter. The idea of Cutler = Quitter is now inescapable. It defines his career, despite the revelation that Cutler had actually suffered a torn MCL in the first half.
Sports fans have a zero tolerance policy for quitters, for athletes who don't perform when it means the most. Roberto Duran, arguably the greatest boxer of his generation, never lived down quitting in a fight with "Sugar" Ray Leonard. How many jokes did you hear about Lebron James disappearing in the fourth quarter of important basketball games? To sports fans, these are moral failures. Only mixed martial arts fans seem to permit them.
In mixed martial arts, quitting isn't just forgivable - it's actively encouraged. That's necessary if you want to have a career that lasts for any significant period of time. Sometimes you just have to protect your arm, your knee, or your neck.
But quitting in MMA is much more pervasive than that. It's not just guys taking an out when no escape is possible. Fighters routinely quit in the cage - and it's rarely even discussed the next day. Take, for example, Eddie Alvarez.
In the fourth round of an amazing and fast paced fight for the Bellator lightweight championship, Alvarez ate a hard punch from contender Michael Chandler. He dropped to the ground and Chandler worked his way to the mount position. Alvarez seemed to break. He gave up his back without being struck at all and was immediately placed in a rear naked choke by Chandler. Note I didn't say choked out. That wasn't necessary, as Alvarez was waiting patiently for the hold to sink in so he could call it a night.
Alvarez, defending a title belt and a mythical spot in the lightweight top five, didn't even try to escape out the back door. He didn't turn to his stomach in order to prolong the fight. He was looking for the first opportunity to tap. Alvarez didn't want to fight anymore. Compare Alvarez's response with Dan Henderson's heroic performance later in the evening. When Henderson got into trouble he fought his heart out to escape it. It was a stark contrast.
Eddie Alvarez decided to quit in the cage. No one will call it that of course. Some will even be irate at the suggestion that anyone in the cage is something other than an indomitable warrior. But it's true. MMA includes a culture of quitting. Are you alright with that?
|
__________________ When There is No More Room in Hell
The Dead Will Walk the Earth  |
| |
11-20-2011, 10:49 AM
|
#2 (permalink)
|
Status:  Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: I am Macatron! Posts: 6,354
|
Didn't read the article but to answer the question, no.
|
| |
11-20-2011, 10:51 AM
|
#3 (permalink)
| | Reputation: ∞
Status: High on my own supply Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 4,159
|
Goddamn Jon Snowden. Some of the shit he writes... pisses me off.
__________________ The fool thinks himself to be wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool. Quote:
Originally Posted by mma #1 fan i'd like me sniggles and fuck him in the ass and i'm not gay i just think he need's to get fucked in the ass | Nothing is more anti-semitic than Zionism |
| |
11-20-2011, 12:26 PM
|
#4 (permalink)
| | Reputation: ∞
Status: Back in the Saddle! Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,551
|
If Eddie was going to quit I think it would have happened in the first round when he got scorched, not after he came back and possibly won the second and definitely won the third.
I hate this question, becuase of course he quit, but he tapped. In combat sports sometimes you have to tap. This is because it is not a fight to the death. When I'm doing Judo and someone gets me in a arm bar, and it is tight, I tap. I wouldn't label myself a quitter it is just a part of the sport. To call him a quitter does not take into question the sport. I know I am not explaining this well, but I just don't think Eddie quit.
The writer says he just gives his back. Did he watch the fight. For 3 plus rounds they fought their asses off. When Chandler hurts Eddie in the fourth Eddie is not thinking clearly. He is just trying to survive at that point. He is running on basic instinct.
I just hate the claim that Eddie is in the same category as Cutler (nothing against Jay either), but Eddie is a champion, a fighter, and a warrior. Note: I was rooting for Chandler, but think Eddie A. is a hell of a fighter.
|
| |
11-20-2011, 12:36 PM
|
#5 (permalink)
| | Reputation: ∞
Status: Day Walker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chael Sonnen's Octagon Posts: 1,861
|
Clearly he didn't since he came back and almost won the fight? What kind of question is that?
__________________ |
| |
11-20-2011, 12:46 PM
|
#6 (permalink)
| | Reputation: ∞
Status: Comb over Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,293
|
That article is crap.
__________________ |
| |
11-20-2011, 01:21 PM
|
#7 (permalink)
| | Reputation: ∞
Status: formerly rbenson98 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Outside the CHI Posts: 1,367
|
One of the worst articles I've ever read. Not to mention the shot at cutler was a stupid comparison just plain dumb.
__________________
Fav Fighters: Penn, Wand, Fedor, Genki, Shields, Rashad, Pulver, Diaz bros, Melendez.
|
| |
11-20-2011, 03:49 PM
|
#8 (permalink)
| | Reputation: 750+
Status: are you a bad fish too? Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: peterborough, ontario Posts: 413
|
is this a joke? the comparison is laughable at best..an insult to eddie alvarez. as someone said, he is a champion and a warrior. to make it sound like he just decided to roll over and wait to be choked is ridiculous
|
| |
11-20-2011, 08:25 PM
|
#9 (permalink)
| | Reputation: 750+
Status: Spyke Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Zhuji, China Posts: 354
|
We should put the writer in an armbar to see if he quits writing dumb shit.
|
| |
11-21-2011, 05:21 AM
|
#10 (permalink)
| | Reputation: 1000+
Status: Champion Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,273
|
"Eddie Alvarez decided to quit in the cage. No one will call it that of course. Some will even be irate at the suggestion that anyone in the cage is something other than an indomitable warrior. But it's true. MMA includes a culture of quitting. Are you alright with that? "
Wow, this has to be the dumbest thing I have read in awhile.
|
| |  | | |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is On | | | All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:16 PM. |
| Quick Member Login Top 5 Latest Threads Latest MMA News Advertisements |