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[Afro]

Originally Posted by jesusatemyhotdog

While I do not agree with this guy's list, I think that everyone should read his criteria for his list along with the accompanying explanations for each fighter. He does a pretty good job of stating his case and the list makes more sense than if just listed as it was in the initial post.

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/6361404

Check it out, then judge.

actually his critieria pisses me off, Fedor hasnt fought a top notched HW? who the fuck is Hunt?

Liddell's standup game makes him #1 in the world give me a fuckin break! Liddells striking isnt even Top 10 in MMA

His reason for Hughes is lame

So he ranks Lindland for fighting Van Arsdale, but Fedor gets shafted for fighting these non-top notch HWs that he refused to name?

[Hypergit]

lol @ "[Fedor's] last fight against a world-class opponent was nearly a year and a half ago"

He must not consider Hunt to be world class. Or that he has already beaten the rest of the world class fighters except Arlovski.

[Ubermensch]

Did you see his pic He does have Down Syndrome I swear the proof his pic and this list.

[Hypergit]

Looking again, on top of him not following it, his criteria is all either painfully obvious or bullshit. I'll list the bullshit:

- Matches over the past 12 months are weighted more heavily than years past. MMA is a fast-moving sport.

Whilst I agree with the premise, 1 year is no time at all really. 1 year is just 1 semi-severe injury (Fedor), and dammit Fedor is not number two now because of a single injury.

- That said, we have a thing for fighters who are able to work their way out of jams and rally for a win. Think Georges St. Pierre against B.J. Penn

So you're a better fighter if you can always lose the first round or two rather than always pwning opps? lol!

[Bran]

"Several fighters have left the UFC in the past couple years convinced they'll do better, only to fall flat on their face. Lindland is the exception."

yeah, lindland is THE exception. not wanderlei silva, no dan henderson, and definitely not josh barnett.

[AJL416AZ]

this list is retarded because it forgets about what the fuck pound for pound means.

Chuck cuts weight, and is consistently bigger then his opponents

Fedor has been heavier then one opponent, stood taller then 0 opponents, and has lost to none of those much larger opponents, who are all world class. he submitted a K-1 GP winner and top 10 HW in MMA, as well as K-1 in the first, despite that keylock attempt.

so without some consideration of actual size compared to opponents, this becomes an issue of recent dominance of the sport, not actual P4P skill

[strife]

That list pisses me off, I don't even want to comment. I will say one thing though. Hughes doesn't belong there at all, and the fact that he would put him there instead of names like Penn, Big Nog, Cro-Cop, Filho, and putting him over such guys as Wanderlei is fucking ridiculous and proves he is a dumbass bandwagon fan that just probably started watching MMA within the past year.

[Krazikarl]

Trying to rank people in different weight classes has always seemed rather silly to me. If you need to make lists, do it by weight class where the list is at least in principle testable by having real fights. You know that say Fedor v Liddell will never be tested, so why put them on the same list?

Anyway, I agree that the original list is pretty horrible (any list of this kind has to have fedor #1 obviously), but its not that much worse than many of the lists that you guys put up. You have to remember that no matter how much you know about a subject, bias can always creep in. Some of you are absurdly biased towards Pride and it really shows in any kind of fighter list. Hell, I agree that Pride has substantially more good fighters than the UFC and prefer watching Pride, but many of you guys do nothing but rip on guys who have been in the UFC for a long time and worship anybody who has been in Pride for a long time. Anytime you see somebody refusing to talk about strengths of UFC fighters and refusing to mention weaknesses of Pride fighters, you know there is a huge bias, and I see it constantly from some people in this thread. Despite superior knowledge, you really act just as silly as whoever this Dave Doyle guy is.

[Hypergit]

Originally Posted by Krazikarl

You know that say Fedor v Liddell will never be tested, so why put them on the same list?

They can be tested if a) Chuck doesn't cut weight - he is naturally hw or b) Fedor loses the belly and cuts to 205.

However, that would be unnecessary as we all know who would win (except this guy of course) hence these lists.

[DW]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

No Kidd, No Penn, No Big Nogs, Lindland and Hughes?

Top 10
1. Fedor
2. Cro-cop
3. Gomi
4. Kid
5. Big Nogs
6. Shogun
7. GSP
8. Penn
9. Filho
10. Shaolin

the other dude has Liddell too high and you dont have him at all.
I know you arent a fan but he deserves to be on there for sure