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[Afro]

Originally Posted by thelegendrvb

Well I am fucking sorry I could not respond to you within 14 minutes after you post your response to me. Maybe you should try being a little more patient before you start calling people jackasses.

Anyway, like one guy already said Cro Cop has not fought in the UFC yet so he really should not count. Leaving Liddell completely off the list is just crazy (that was my main problem) and having GSP so low is also a concern. Now I am not saying they should be at the top but higher than they are. Or at least on the list in Liddell case. I will just chalk this up to you already stating you just threw it together in like 5 seconds. In addition, it is just your personal opinion I just happen to disagree with it.

well if you think GSP is low and Liddell should be on there then say somethin! actually gather some fuckin facts and make a fuckin argument dont just go sayin ohh ur bein biased and leave.. bitch move.

[Rhino_Man]

I think you guys are taking this list all wrong, I know the guy said its a "top 10 P4p" list but I tend to look at it more as a "Who Is Hot in MMA List" and if that is the case the list is plausable (sp).

Hands down Liddell is the ghottest fighter right now, and you can say well who did he beat and yada yada yada. But fact is he is the MMA poster boy. he mingles with celebrities, chicks dig him and he hasn't lost in awhile, and he wins with KO's.

Everyone here knows he is not the best P4P fighter inthe world, just a different view of top fighter.

Please dont yell at me, I am very emotional right now.

[Legend]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

well if you think GSP is low and Liddell should be on there then say somethin! actually gather some fuckin facts and make a fuckin argument dont just go sayin ohh ur bein biased and leave.. bitch move.

I'll do that. Next time I will wait until I sufficient time to explain why I disagree with you. And calling me a jackass bc you can’t wait more than 14 minutes for my response is the real bitch move. But you are a bitch so it makes sense.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by thelegendrvb

I'll do that. Next time I will wait until I sufficient time to explain why I disagree with you. And calling me a jackass bc you can’t wait more than 14 minutes for my response is the real bitch move. But you are a bitch so it makes sense.

atleast somethin makes sense to you, cuz its obvious that P4P flew right over your head thus why you got all sentimental just cuz I didnt add Chuck.. ya know i'd actually like to hear a good reason for why he should be a lock for any P4P list.

[Legend]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

atleast somethin makes sense to you, cuz its obvious that P4P flew right over your head thus why you got all sentimental just cuz I didnt add Chuck.. ya know i'd actually like to hear a good reason for why he should be a lock for any P4P list.

I think his in ring performance, his record, and his competition speaks for itself as to why he should make a top 10 p4p list. I feel you and many others base your rankings on who you personally like and you purposely leave a guy like Chuck off just bc he is so popular with the generic TUF fans. You can tell me I'm wrong all day long but that is what I believe. Not sure why you would think the concept of a P4P list flew over my head. I guess that just you trying to insult me and act like a bitch as usual.

[Afro]

Originally Posted by thelegendrvb

I think his in ring performance, his record, and his competition speaks for itself as to why he should make a top 10 p4p list. I feel you and many others base your rankings on who you personally like and you purposely leave a guy like Chuck off just bc he is so popular with the generic TUF fans. You can tell me I'm wrong all day long but that is what I believe. Not sure why you would think the concept of a P4P list flew over my head. I guess that just you trying to insult me and act like a bitch as usual.

Because if you dont think that there is 10 fighters out there in such a BIG sport like MMA that you can make a case for being a better FIGHTER then Chuck Liddell then who really is being biased here? so yes P4P did fly over your head.. Chuck Liddell is a GREAT fighter ive said that time and time again, but I honestly felt his last performance and his age makes it easier for someone to make a case for 10 other fighters being better then him and like I said Chuck does belong in the top 10 I wouldnt cuss someone out and act like a Jackass if he was in a top 10, but just outside the Top 10 is nothing to cry about unless ur a huge chuck fan.. theres a ton of great fighters out there.. and a lot are better then Chuck at this point and time, as a matter of fact I am MORE WRONG for leaving A. Silva out of the Top 10 then Chuck Liddell. If I had left Chuck outside of the Top 3 LHWs in MMA then ya.. get mad at me, but P4P is about who is the better fighter in a weightless weight class.. and being a better fighter equates to a lot of things.

[Legend]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

Because if you dont think that there is 10 fighters out there in such a BIG sport like MMA that you can make a case for being a better FIGHTER then Chuck Liddell then who really is being biased here? so yes P4P did fly over your head.. Chuck Liddell is a GREAT fighter ive said that time and time again, but I honestly felt his last performance and his age makes it easier for someone to make a case for 10 other fighters being better then him and like I said Chuck does belong in the top 10 I wouldnt cuss someone out and act like a Jackass if he was in a top 10, but just outside the Top 10 is nothing to cry about unless ur a huge chuck fan.. theres a ton of great fighters out there.. and a lot are better then Chuck at this point and time, as a matter of fact I am MORE WRONG for leaving A. Silva out of the Top 10 then Chuck Liddell. If I had left Chuck outside of the Top 3 LHWs in MMA then ya.. get mad at me, but P4P is about who is the better fighter in a weightless weight class.. and being a better fighter equates to a lot of things.

I personally do not thing you make a strong enough case to leave Chuck out of a top 10 P4P. He has been dominating ever since his last loss to Jackson in 2003. He fought 3 times in 2006 and they were all KO victories over top 10 LHW's.

Now personally I factor in fighters recent performances along with how good I think they are. If you want to mention Chucks last fight with Tito as a clue that his is maybe slowing down then I think it is only fare to mention the fact that he was injured. I accredit that and the fact that Tito was better prepared this time around as to why it took Chuck 3 rounds to finish the fight. In addition, I really do not think it is fare to reference Chuck’s age until he starts to lose fights bc of it.

Now I can see your point about A. Silva, however, imo Chuck has faced stiffer competition in his career than Silva has. I will not argue for one second that A. Silva is a tremendous talent and has looked very impressive since his UFC debut and long before it. It is just my opinion that other fighters not just Chuck have faced stiffer completion and deserve a spot more that Silva.

[AJL416AZ]

Originally Posted by thelegendrvb

I personally do not thing you make a strong enough case to leave Chuck out of a top 10 P4P. He has been dominating ever since his last loss to Jackson in 2003. He fought 3 times in 2006 and they were all KO victories over top 10 LHW's.

Now personally I factor in fighters recent performances along with how good I think they are. If you want to mention Chucks last fight with Tito as a clue that his is maybe slowing down then I think it is only fare to mention the fact that he was injured. I accredit that and the fact that Tito was better prepared this time around as to why it took Chuck 3 rounds to finish the fight. In addition, I really do not think it is fare to reference Chuck’s age until he starts to lose fights bc of it.

Now I can see your point about A. Silva, however, imo Chuck has faced stiffer competition in his career than Silva has. I will not argue for one second that A. Silva is a tremendous talent and has looked very impressive since his UFC debut and long before it. It is just my opinion that other fighters not just Chuck have faced stiffer completion and deserve a spot more that Silva.

P4P, i would disagree that Chuck is better then Silva. Silva jumped up from 170 to 185, and is a champion. Chuck cuts to 205, and is huge for the weight

and i disagree that Tito was necessarily more prepared, its just he fought an evasive, slightly pussy game, where he fled upon getting punched in the face. he was looking to survive and wear on Chuck's cardio, but ended up getting the power on his face

but Chuck is still an excellent champ, and one of the few UFC champs that is actually rated top 2. so he gains much points to be on the P4P list, just not real high on it

[Afro]

Originally Posted by thelegendrvb

I personally do not thing you make a strong enough case to leave Chuck out of a top 10 P4P. He has been dominating ever since his last loss to Jackson in 2003. He fought 3 times in 2006 and they were all KO victories over top 10 LHW's.

Now personally I factor in fighters recent performances along with how good I think they are. If you want to mention Chucks last fight with Tito as a clue that his is maybe slowing down then I think it is only fare to mention the fact that he was injured. I accredit that and the fact that Tito was better prepared this time around as to why it took Chuck 3 rounds to finish the fight. In addition, I really do not think it is fare to reference Chuck’s age until he starts to lose fights bc of it.

Now I can see your point about A. Silva, however, imo Chuck has faced stiffer competition in his career than Silva has. I will not argue for one second that A. Silva is a tremendous talent and has looked very impressive since his UFC debut and long before it. It is just my opinion that other fighters not just Chuck have faced stiffer completion and deserve a spot more that Silva.

I dunno about the injury, but what I saw was Chuck slowing down round by round and this could be injury.. it could not be but I still question his age, his technique, his ability to defend strikes.. hes great at defending takedowns.. but if he fought a 205 LB A. Silva I would put money on A. Silva being that A. Silva is the better striker, and if Chuck took him to the ground then Chuck would be more at risk.. I dunno though, Chuck has cleaned out the LHW division in the UFC but at the age of 38 I cant see him being too high on a P4P list.. and GSP I dont see how he his low at all, he beat two very good fighters back to back but I cant brush off guys who IMO are better skilled, and have been top dogs for longer and are not at the end of there careers.

[Legend]

Originally Posted by Afro Samurai

I dunno about the injury, but what I saw was Chuck slowing down round by round and this could be injury.. it could not be but I still question his age, his technique, his ability to defend strikes.. hes great at defending takedowns.. but if he fought a 205 LB A. Silva I would put money on A. Silva being that A. Silva is the better striker, and if Chuck took him to the ground then Chuck would be more at risk.. I dunno though, Chuck has cleaned out the LHW division in the UFC but at the age of 38 I cant see him being too high on a P4P list.. and GSP I dont see how he his low at all, he beat two very good fighters back to back but I cant brush off guys who IMO are better skilled, and have been top dogs for longer and are not at the end of there careers.

Chuck was in fact injured. He confirmed in on the Beatdown. I pretty sure, it was a torn MCL. Anyway, as far as Chuck slowing down in the later rounds in the Tito fight I think it is possible he was doing so on purpose. Chuck knew Tito's strategy was to get the fight into the later rounds and try to wear Chuck down. So, he could have been picking his spots more carefully so he would not gas. Not saying that is what happened but it is a possibility.

Yeah Chuck has a very strange striking technique but like I have always said, it works for him. As far a being able, to defend shots there is not too much I can say about that. The last two guys he has faced with really good striking was Overeem and Jackson. And he took some hard shots in those fights. I guess we will see later this year if Chuck has gotten any better at defending against a good sticker.

Now as far as GSP goes I can see your logic as to why he is lower on the list then I would put him. He has not been in the game as long and has just reached the top. However, imo he is one of the best all around fighters in the world. He has no cracks in his game at all. He is good on the ground and excellent on the feet. Like I said I see your logic, I just do not agree with it.