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[kornkob]

the axe murderer is probably my fav fighter, but will fighting in nevada under nevada rules hurt silva? he wont be able to use his fav move "the soccer kick". the 1st fight was fairly close till near the end, (under pride rules). will this fight be at an advantage to hendreson?

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by kornkob

the axe murderer is probably my fav fighter, but will fighting in nevada under nevada rules hurt silva? he wont be able to use his fav move "the soccer kick". the 1st fight was fairly close till near the end, (under pride rules). will this fight be at an advantage to hendreson?

the first fight was deffenitly not close wat so ever, hendo got a few shots in and a takedown or 2 but wand controlled the whole fight and beat down hendo... and no the rules will not affect wand rally seeing as he didnt win the fight by useing soccer kicks or stomps...

[kornkob]

it was a close fight, it was a classic fight. wandy got him good in the end but it was a close fight

[CHUCKtheCHAMP]

Originally Posted by kornkob

it was a close fight, it was a classic fight. wandy got him good in the end but it was a close fight

the fight was not close, watch it again, hendo gets beat up

[NearDark]

I don't remember the first fight being close at all. Henderson got in 1 big right hand that staggered Wand, but the rest of the fight Silva really did a number on Henderson. I remember Wand laughing at Henderson and kicking him as he was trapped on the ground. I'll have to watch that fight again but I remember it mostly being Wand handing it to Henderson, besides that one big right hand.

Soccer kicks and knees to the head came around Pride 13 I think. It brought a needed element to the fighting and the matches were much more exciting after those rules were in place.

The Nevada rules are a bit odd aren't they...you can do a flying knee and crack someone on the jaw with it, but you can't knee when an opponent is on all fours trying to take a rest.

You can slice a man's face open with an elbow, but you can't safely kick with the flat of your foot. Weird.

Sometimes Nevada makes you scratch your head on their rules. I guess their reasoning is a difference between a downed opponent and a standing opponent - but in MMA a downed opponent is anything but defenseless, in fact a lot are better protected on the ground than standing. Pride in Japan has shown knees and soccer kicks are 'safe' and effective.

[YukonJordan]

Its all about impressions. Every time I see a jumping headstomp or a brutal soccer kick I know I get a shudder. It just looks so brutal I'm sure it can't be a very popular move with the NSAC.

[b0sH]

The Nevada rules are a bit odd aren't they...you can do a flying knee and crack someone on the jaw with it, but you can't knee when an opponent is on all fours trying to take a rest.

You can slice a man's face open with an elbow, but you can't safely kick with the flat of your foot. Weird.

No not really. It's more to do with damage limitation, if you get hit on the Jaw with a flying knee and it hits square, the fight is over 90% of the time and its a single large trauma that ends it, which will provide far less lasting damage. Stomping downed opponents like in Pride, you always see Wandy or others getting a good 7/8 stomps to the face before its stopped and they are all but impossible to block because of the force and weight behind them, same with soccer kicks to the head.
Elbows on the ground may cut but because they are thrown from an equal standing to the opponent, ie both standing or both grounded, they lack the power that comes from a stomp or head kick from standing to a grounded opponent. Cuts don't create lasting damage that will cause potential health problems after a fighters career is over.
I think they are very careful about keeping fighters "healthy" compared to boxers who receive massive amounts of punishment before a fight is stopped and we have seen the widely reported brain damage and even death that can occur from these.

[NearDark]

I unintentially changed the top of this thread, sorry about that. To get back on track...

Wanderlei took apart Henderson in their first fight, it wasn't close at all, and that was under what basically passes for Nevada rules today. The second fight will probably be a repeat of the first one. Henderson does have a strong right hand, but in the first fight Henderson's ground game suffered against Wand.

I don't put much emphasis on Wanderlei's loss to CroCop...Wand has lost before in his career and always bounced back as strong as ever. Plus he was kind of overweight (for wand's frame) in the CroCop fight.

In his last u.s. media interview, Wanderlei was saying how pissed off he was and was coming back with a vengeance against Henderson. It won't be a fight to miss.

[Malice]

In all fairness, Hendo is smaller than Wandy.. I think that offsets any NSAC rule differences for this match.

I thought their first fight was pretty good, Hendo didn't get killed but he definitely lost on points. That was a very long time ago...Hendo has developed so much since then, I know Wandy is stronger and smarter too but I think Hendo has doubled or ever trippled Wandys improvements.

[SimpleJack]

Originally Posted by CHUCKtheCHAMP

the fight was not close, watch it again, hendo gets beat up

I said this 2 weeks ago and everybody wanted to drag me through the streets behind a wagon. Wanderlei dominated the fight. Rules change or not, Wanderlei was playing with him at one point and I can't see the change hurting him.