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with michael bisping winning TUF and no doubt having a bright future in the company, do you think that the fact that he's british is going to turn off american fans like the UFC: 58 ppv where the fans were actually booing GSP and louaseu? i'm an american and i have to say i'm embarassed that my countrymen act that way. MMA is a competition and to chant "USA" during fights just because the fighter's from the same country as you is the stupidest thing. its not just at UFC 58 either, i was watching couture/belfort I and noticed it there and in the first UFCs people would chant USA in royce gracie's matches and didn't care that he was the best grappler we had seen at that time. MMA is a competition, not a war. when i watch a fight, i'm rooting for the best fighter, not the guy from my country.
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with michael bisping winning TUF and no doubt having a bright future in the company, do you think that the fact that he's british is going to turn off american fans like the UFC: 58 ppv where the fans were actually booing GSP and louaseu? i'm an american and i have to say i'm embarassed that my countrymen act that way. MMA is a competition and to chant "USA" during fights just because the fighter's from the same country as you is the stupidest thing. its not just at UFC 58 either, i was watching couture/belfort I and noticed it there and in the first UFCs people would chant USA in royce gracie's matches and didn't care that he was the best grappler we had seen at that time. MMA is a competition, not a war. when i watch a fight, i'm rooting for the best fighter, not the guy from my country.
that was dana's fault not americans. He set it up USA vs Canada. So you root for the best fighter kinda like a band wagon jumper. If it wasnt meant to be like that they wouldnt anounce what country the fighter is from. and as far as not cheering thats like saying USA fans shouldnt cheer for USA in the olympics or worldcup (well i dont even cheer for them in worldcup, go italy ) or for the dream team, thats crazy. it is called being patriotic
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that was dana's fault not americans. He set it up USA vs Canada. So you root for the best fighter kinda like a band wagon jumper. If it wasnt meant to be like that they wouldnt anounce what country the fighter is from. and as far as not cheering thats like saying USA fans shouldnt cheer for USA in the olympics or worldcup (well i dont even cheer for them in worldcup, go italy ) or for the dream team, thats crazy. it is called being patriotic
i agree that dana was at fault for booking it as USA vs. Canada, but wanting someone to win just because he's from the same country as you isn't patriotic. patriotism is loving your country and doing things to better it. not cheering for someone that happens to have the same citizenship as you. i have to say that if only the americans won in MMA, it would be a pretty boring sport. i'd cheer for GSP to win if he was fighting george washington.
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Its just arrogance, plain and simple. Happens in pro wrestling, the fake sport, and mma, the real sport. No need to boo someone because their from a different country. Its so hypocritical of americans to say racism is wrong yet boo someone because their from Canada or England. I cheer who I want to win, not because of where their from.
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Its just arrogance, plain and simple. Happens in pro wrestling, the fake sport, and mma, the real sport. No need to boo someone because their from a different country. Its so hypocritical of americans to say racism is wrong yet boo someone because their from Canada or England. I cheer who I want to win, not because of where their from.
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I think it's usually done in good ol' fashion fun for the most part. The USA USA chants aren't any different than chanting for your fav. hockey or baseball team.
I am Canadian, and I wasn't offended, nor am I when the Canadian national anthem is boo'd at sporting events in the States.....99% of it is harmless fun......IMO
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My guess is that GSP, Loiseau, and Bisbing hate the flag waving. Of course they are proud that they are representing their Country, but their livelihood depends on their popularity. GSP and Loiseau (sp?) were never booed before the stupid USA versus Canada promotion. It is en vogue to bash the French in the States these days and these two guys have done more to stem that just by virtue of being good fighters and by acting like professionals. I mean, who doesn't like a GSP interview? Who doesn't like to see their athleticism? These guys are really marketable, but not as 'bad guys.' The Prime Minister should put them on payroll. Anybody remember the late legend Dave Schultz, who won a Gold Medal in freestyle in the Olympics in LA and won the Tiblisi tournament? He was lionized in Iran, Russia, and other countries because of his wrestling ability AND the way he conducted himself. He represented his Country and the sport well by his actions, not by flag waving.
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My take is a mixture between TheBrandMan's and KickAss32's. It's retarded for fans to boo someone as good and entertaining to watch as GSP. He hasn't given anyone a reason to boo. He even speaks english, so what's the big deal he was born a few miles north? But it doesn't really bother me or anything I just kinda look at it like "you bunch of idiots, would you just shut up and watch the fight?"

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with michael bisping winning TUF and no doubt having a bright future in the company, do you think that the fact that he's british is going to turn off american fans like the UFC: 58 ppv where the fans were actually booing GSP and louaseu? i'm an american and i have to say i'm embarassed that my countrymen act that way. MMA is a competition and to chant "USA" during fights just because the fighter's from the same country as you is the stupidest thing. its not just at UFC 58 either, i was watching couture/belfort I and noticed it there and in the first UFCs people would chant USA in royce gracie's matches and didn't care that he was the best grappler we had seen at that time. MMA is a competition, not a war. when i watch a fight, i'm rooting for the best fighter, not the guy from my country.
I agree 100% with you

I didnt like the idea of making it USA vs Canada too cuz as you saw it caused animosity. It started a lot of disrespectful actions and I felt bad for GSP for the most part cuz he was tryna win over the crowd, trying to apologise for his accent and everything he really didnt want to get boo'd.. almost felt like GSP felt he did something wrong.

GSP is probably the most humble MMA fighter there is right now, hes the last person that deserves to get boo'd.. hes a class act.
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My take is a mixture between TheBrandMan's and KickAss32's. It's retarded for fans to boo someone as good and entertaining to watch as GSP. He hasn't given anyone a reason to boo. He even speaks english, so what's the big deal he was born a few miles north? But it doesn't really bother me or anything I just kinda look at it like "you bunch of idiots, would you just shut up and watch the fight?"

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Matt: No. that was Dave Schultz, the freestyle wrestler who was killed about 10 years ago by the crazy millionaire John Dupont in Philly. Dave was the brother of Mark Schultz, who had one MMA fight about in the mid-late 90's and won it.
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