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Default MMANews FORUMS rankings (New Top 15) - January 31, 2012

New addition: Top 15 for the first 7 divisions; Top 10 for flyweight and women's p4p

Please note that the MMANews FORUMS rankings are separate from the MMANews website rankings.

Committee members: Dr. MMA, Rivethead, KevoOnTheRadio, TBEAR, DiegoNightmare
Alternate members: Mac ( Mac will fill in as an alternate member if one of the members of the committee is unavailable.)
Appointed to combine and matrix rankings from the committee members: SWIFTboy**

**SWIFTboy is also responsible for breaking any ties.

The following criteria were taken into account while generating the rankings:

A) Rankings are not based on opinion of fighter's skillset and potential but are based on evidence, i.e. fighter's opposition, track record, how dominant the wins were (dependent on opposition), and how dominant the losses were (dependent on opposition).

B) Recent victories hold more weight than historical, however, it doesn't negate it.

C) A fighter is ranked in the division where they have had their two most recent consecutive fights. This could be two actual fights or one actual fight and a scheduled/planned fight. For example, Kenny Florian is still considered a FW now (last 2 actual fights were at FW and only has plans for LW). There are some exceptions to this rule, for example Nate Marquardt is now considered a WW even though his last actual fight was at MW. This is because he has had two scheduled back-to-back fights at WW (one of which he made weight for and did not fight due to unforeseen circumstances).

D) If a fighter hasn't fought in 18 months or hasn't won a fight in 24 months, he will be removed from the top 10.

E) If Fighter A wins a recent head-to-head matchup against Fighter B, it does not necessarily mean Fighter A moves ahead of fighter B. Head-to-head matchups are primarily considered when rankings are tied, similar to other sports like hockey or soccer.
e.g. If half of us thought that Machida was #3 and the other half thought Rampage was #3, then we look to their actual fight. Rampage won, so he moves up and Machida moves down.

F) With regards to the holy trinities (e.g. Machida beat Rashad who beat Rampage who beat Machida), we evaluate the individual's rank and their opposition's at the time of the fight. More recent victories are weighed heavier as are more dominating victories.
e.g. #4 ranked Machida defeated #1 ranked Rashad in May 2009, #3 ranked Rashad beat #4 ranked Rampage in May 2010, and #4 ranked Rampage beat #2 ranked Machida in Nov 2010. However, the dominance of their victories varied greatly. These factors was taken into consideration.

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The MMANews Forums rankings as of January 31, 2012 are:

Heavyweight
1 Junior Dos Santos
2 Cain Valasquez
3 Alistair Overeem
4 Fabricio Werdum
5 Frank Mir
6 Josh Barnett
7 Daniel Cormier
8 Antonio Silva
9 Shane Carwin
10 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
11 Fedor Emilianenko
12 Cheick Kongo
13 Brendan Schaub
14 Roy Nelson
15 Travis Browne

Light Heavyweight
1 Jon Jones
2 Dan Henderson
3 Rashad Evans
4 Mauricio Rua
5 Quinton Jackson
6 Lyoto Machida
7 Phil Davis
8 Forrest Griffin
9 Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
10 Gegard Mousasi
11 Alexander Gustafsson
12 Muhammad Lawal
13 Rafael Cavalcante
14 Ryan Bader
15 Stanislav Nedko

Middleweight
1 Anderson Silva
2 Chael Sonnen
3 Yushin Okami
4 Mark Munoz
5 Vitor Belfort
6 Michael Bisping
7 Hector Lombard
8 Demian Maia
9 Ronaldo Souza
10 Brian Stann
11 Luke Rokhold
12 Tim Kennedy
13 Allan Belcher
14 Rousimar Palharas
15 Chris Weidman

Welterweight
1 Georges St. Pierre
2 Nick Diaz
3 Carlos Condit
4 Josh Koscheck
5 Jon Fitch
6 Jake Shields
7 Johnny Hendricks
8 Jake Ellenberger
9 BJ Penn
10 Martin Kampmann
11 Diego Sanchez
12 Tyron Woodley
13 Thiago Alves
14 Rory MacDonald
15 Ben Askren

Lightweight
1 Frankie Edgar
2 Gilbert Melendez
3 Gray Maynard
4 Ben Henderson
5 Shinya Aoki
6 Jim Miller
7 Clay Guida
8 Eddie Alvarez
9 Nate Diaz
10 Michael Chandler
11 Anthony Pettis
12 Donald Cerrone
13 Joe Lauzon
14 Dennis Siver
15 Melvin Guillard

Featherweight
1 Jose Aldo
2 Chad Mendes
3 Hatsu Hioki
4 Marlon Sandro
5 Pat Curran
6 Diego Nunes
7 Kenny Florian
8 Dustin Poirier
9 Hiroyuki Takaya
10 Joe Warren
11 Erik Koch
12 Bart Palaszewski
13 Michihiro Omigawa
14 Chan Sung Jung
15 Patricio Freire

Bantamweight
1 Dominic Cruz
2 Urijah Faber
3 Joseph Benavidez
4 Brian Bowles
5 Demetrious Johnson
6 Miguel Torres
7 Scott Jorgensen
8 Bibiano Fernandes
9 Renan Barao
10 Takeya Mizugaki
11 Masakatsu Ueda
12 Brad Pickett
13 Michael MacDonald
14 Zach Makovsky
15 Wagnney Fabiano

Flyweight
1 Ian McCall
2 Yasuhiro Urushitani
3 Jussier da Silva
4 Mamoru Yamaguchi
5 Shinichi Kojima
6 Darrell Montague
7 Kiyotaka Shimizu
8 Mitsuhisa Sunabe
9 Dustin Ortiz
10 Rambaa Somdet

Women's p4p
1 Cristiane Santos
2 Megumi Fujii
3 Miesha Tate
4 Zoila Gurgel
5 Marloes Coenen
6 Sarah Kaufman
7 Tara LaRosa
8 Rosi Sexton
9 Ronda Rousey
10 Jessica Aguilar
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shields is too high, i would think weidman has to be ranked above maia but i could see why he isnt
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Shittiest rankings I've ever fucking seen.
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How is Vitor Belfort ranked #5 in the Middleweight category??? He's only fought in the UFC twice in the MW division, and lost one of them. The other 2 fights were catchweight fights. For criteria letter C alone, he should be far lower on the list (if on there at all):
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C) A fighter is ranked in the division where they have had their two most recent consecutive fights. This could be two actual fights or one actual fight and a scheduled/planned fight. For example, Kenny Florian is still considered a FW now (last 2 actual fights were at FW and only has plans for LW). There are some exceptions to this rule, for example Nate Marquardt is now considered a WW even though his last actual fight was at MW. This is because he has had two scheduled back-to-back fights at WW (one of which he made weight for and did not fight due to unforeseen circumstances).
So adding the Johnson fight towards a MW fight (since it was scheduled to be so), he's still only 2-1 in that division. Looking at Michael Bisping's record for the last 2 years, he's 4-1. So how is Vitor above Bisping? It makes no sense.
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I gotta wonder this about the HW rankings...

Why is Schuab ranked above Nelson?

Nelson beat Schuab.

I know Nelson has since lost 2 fights and Schuab only one - Nelson's 2 losses are to Mir & JDS. Schuab's too Nog.

I would say the quality of fights each figher has won since would be about equal - Nelson beat Struve & Cro Cop / Schuab beat Gonzaga & Cro Cop plus a couple plugs.

Soo.. yes Schuab has 2 more wins and one less loss than Nelson since their fight but I would argue the win for Nelson and quality of fights he participated in since negate the extra fights (against no name plugs) by Schuab.

Plus, Nelson didnt beat but did last 3 rounds of a stand up war with JDS. I dont think Schuab would even get outta the first with the champ.





And on the MW division ...

Maia still top 10? really?

Maia has not beat a top 10 guy since Feb 2009... 3 years ago. Yes, we know he had a title shot in 2010, but losing a title shot shouldnt hold to much weight.

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why isnt rockhold over souza? he took the title from him.
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these rankings are a little off if you ask me.
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these rankings are a little off if you ask me.
See what happens when I get voted off the committee? The rankings go to absolute shit.
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See what happens when I get voted off the committee? The rankings go to absolute shit.
Well since you brought it up again, why did you get voted off the island?
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Well since you brought it up again, why did you get voted off the island?
Honestly would have to ask each member. Its a secret vote in that no one sees the others vote. I was actually demoted to like second alternative which is like being the ref in a spin the bottle game. I told them to put it in their asses.
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