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[The Doug]

I agree Kass, I think confidence is very important to be a good fighter.

I guess I am more focused on all the hype (before Silva, of course) that said Leben could hang with Franklin.

I agree with all the Leben fans that he is a brawler, but there is no way he could last longer that Nate Quarry in a fight with Franklin. I think the Silva fight illustrated this point.

[sgthorse]

Originally Posted by Kass101

a fighter thinking there in the same league as the best in the division doesnt make them overrated.

other people thinking there one of the best in the division is what makes them overrated. any fighter who has anything should have cofidence and think they are good otherwise they have no chance.

as for overrated Rickson Gracie by far. he hasnt beaten anyone remotely good in mma and the way people talk about him he is god. that the defenition of overrated. you could put most of the gracies in the same boat. royce included. they did a lot for the sport but they were never as good as people talked.

are u feeling ok? please dont get me started with a list of gracie family accomplishments. we will just assume you forgot to take your medication todayok?

[sgthorse]

Originally Posted by kickass32

LOL, there is a blast from the past.....Paul Varelans.........is he still fighting????

i think he got hurt and retired

[Kass101]

list the gracies accomplishment then in regards to mma, neither royce or rickson have beaten anyone worth mentioning and the two skilled fighters royce faced he lost to, saku and hughes.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Kass101

list the gracies accomplishment then in regards to mma, neither royce or rickson have beaten anyone worth mentioning and the two skilled fighters royce faced he lost to, saku and hughes.

Well how's this one for a starter for 10.

THEY PRETTY MUCH INVENTED IT!!!!

[sgthorse]

Originally Posted by Kass101

list the gracies accomplishment then in regards to mma, neither royce or rickson have beaten anyone worth mentioning and the two skilled fighters royce faced he lost to, saku and hughes.

TAKE YOUR MEDICATION

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Well how's this one for a starter for 10.

THEY PRETTY MUCH INVENTED IT!!!!

very true.

[killerinstinct]

Rickson is a 7th degree black belt in bjj.Rickson has won hundreds of bjj competitions and is the best Gracie trained by Helio.He's undefeated in mma and defeated all of his opponents by submission.Royce beat some of the best fighters in the world at the time-Kimo,Ken Shamrock,Severnamong others.
They didn't have mma camps so yeah he fought one deminsional fighters ,but give him some respect.His fucking family started mma.

[nole]

Originally Posted by Matt Boone

Guys, if you wanna go that far with nit-picking you could say Fedor is overrated. Fujita almost KO'd him, Randleman slammed him on his head and almost killed him (exaggeration - like this whole example, bare in mind), the Nog win was at the end of his run and the second fight he woulda lost if he hadn't been cut, etc. The thread said who is the MOST overrated pro MMA fighter. When you come in with names like Leben and Liddell, you're looking to get bitch-slapped via text.

I know you didnt just say that about fedor the P4P best in the world. Most overrated in bonnar, Just because him and forrest beat each others faces and had what looked like a drunken brawl people think he is a contended, HAHAHA

[killerinstinct]

Originally Posted by nole

I know you didnt just say that about fedor the P4P best in the world. Most overrated in bonnar, Just because him and forrest beat each others faces and had what looked like a drunken brawl people think he is a contended, HAHAHA

he was being sarcastic.