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[FFFRpickup]

Originally Posted by goodtimes

Just typing in caps doesn't make it true... In no way, shape, or form did Condit out grapple Diaz. He out struck him in 2 rounds of a 5 round fight. No effective aggression? He landed plenty of power shots, how do you think Condit got the cut under his eye? He took Condit's back. These things score points. Every time Condit tried to set himself and fire off a combo in the first 3 rounds, he got tagged. He only started landing a few combos in the 4th round, which is just ONE ROUND. In the first half of the fight, Condit had trouble landing more then back pedalling leg kicks.

I don't even know what you mean by Diaz's aggression "amounted to nothing" when he landed dozens of combinations and crosses to Condit's face. He never had Condit badly hurt maybe? But in that case, Condit had no effective aggression, since his strikes had pretty much no effect on Diaz either.

How can you possibly make an argument that there is no argument about the fight? Maybe you should look at your own arguments and realize that a huge percentage of people disagree with you, many of them professional within the sport. Maybe you should realize that you are on Cecil Peoples side in this argument.



It's a rule of internet arguments; if you don't feel like you can win, pick out a grammatical error.

let's nip this in the bud. Carlos' legs kicks were masterful. he kicked Diaz and then backpeddled circled and kicked him again. rinse and repeat. NicK had no answer. Diaz had octagon control but NO AGRESSION.......it was attempted aggression. He tried to be aggressive. but failed. eating shots along the way. a mean face and throwing your hands up do not make it aggresion.

let's face it, NOBODY was getting hurt in this fight. nobody got wobbled. Diaz landed soem decent combos that carlos had to get out of the pocket right away. But diaz himself ate a bunch of shots ATTEMPTING to get close to condit.

I would like to know if Nick thinks of himself as a A Mixed martial Artist or a "BRAWLER" he has to be ONE!

So which is it?

If he's just a brawler like tank abbot fighting in a MMA org.. than I understand how frustrating it must be to lose to a mixed martial artist like Condit. If he's a mixed martial artist complaining that he couldn't cut off the ring and get close to his opponent because he used the hit and run tactic it's totally pathetic. This Martial artist named Diaz is dismissing leg kicks liek they don't count.....dismissing wreslting like it don't count...but wants opponent to stand and bang. Then in the proccess of a close striking battle he decides to try three takedown attempts furing this contest. The same Diaz that complains about wrestlers don't want to fight him!


N Diaz makes no sense. There's been so much media about Nick and being understood and where he's from, poor nick this, that and the other thing.......I mean...who records himself with the self pity speach from his own car..it's pathetic. To me he seems angry at the world..angry and envious of people. he went as far as saying in an interview...PBF can't even defend a double leg and he makes 25Mil.
well no shit sherlock. It's like saying that Oprah can't defend the double leg and she makes 200mil. THAT'S NOT THEIR JOB! Dana's saying....he's special.. so let him have it! Oh let him have his rematch....before he throws another temper tantrum live on PPV complaining about SHIT..you know. this is bullshit....i'm retiring. He basically scared Dana/ferittas with the lost PPV buys.

[Badluck33]

Originally Posted by rivethead

You're discounting one type of strike as more important than the other. That's not done by judges.


I'd rather threaten it now than have it continue to grow while it's flawed. If I'm building a house and I realize there is a problem with the foundation, I stop painting and fix the core problem.

Everything wrong with MMA is realistically able to be addressed and corrected.


Accuracy or inaccuracy aside, you're discounting one type of strike in favor of another. A power shot to the leg is just as important as a power shot to the head. It can be more important if it's landed cleanly and supported by octagon control and effective aggression.


Again, harder strikes, location, etc. Not necessarily considered, particularly when Condit had both more volume and a higher percentage of strikes land. Coming forward doesn't mean anything when combined with a less effective attack.


For the record, I'm not one of the people who feel Carlos outgrappled Nick. But I'm also aware of the bias with fans who were saying he "almost choked Condit out."


Very simply, that's not how a fight is actually scored. Someone outside the cage can't tell how hard a shot is. Damage is not a factor. Volume and percentage are, and those were in Carlos' favor.


Oh, I understand it. I completely get it, and I don't get when people say it wasn't close.

But I have yet to hear a convincing argument to give the fight to Diaz that actually focuses on how fights are scored in MMA.

rh

So 10 jabs is better than 5 counters?

and Damage is a factor.

Btw, how did you score bout?

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Badluck33

So 10 jabs is better than 5 counters?

They can be. It's very dependent.

But you're not comparing jabs and counters, you're just discounting leg kicks. It's like saying 30 strikes aren't as good as 25 strikes, because there were 6 leg kicks in the 30 strikes. That's just not how fights are scored.

and Damage is a factor.

No, it really isn't.

Btw, how did you score bout?

I gave 1, 3 and 4 to Carlos. I gave 2 and 5 to Nick.

rh

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I gave 1, 3 and 4 to Carlos. I gave 2 and 5 to Nick.

rh

As did I.

Diaz did not do enough to win the round and was not more active than Condit.

[SWIFTboy]

Originally Posted by Badluck33

and Damage is a factor.

Originally Posted by rivethead

No, it really isn't.

It's probably the most popular misconception about scoring in MMA.

Although you could argue it's INDIRECTLY a factor, in that effective striking, grappling, etc... would presumably lead to damaging an opponent. Even then damage is a pretty vague term.

[braddahmatt]

I'm not upset by the decision because it could have went either way... I'm upset because I'd rather see Diaz fight GSP. I'm just a fan of Diaz' fighting style... not really a fan of his as a person.

I'm also upset because of the amount of "leg jabs" landed by Condit and that its even a stat in fightmetric. Like I said before... if I wanted I could have a professional fight right now, no training camp or anything, and just jab kick the hell out of someone and move around the ring and barely get hit. So I won the striking battle right? What I'm saying is it takes no skill whatsoever to land a "jab kick." A power kick, yes, does because it takes longer and you are more open to a counter. But a "jab kick"? Come on... it's used for distance mostly not to be an effective strike.

[FFFRpickup]

This makes total sense. If Joe wasn't a pot smoker.

To me it's hilarious.

The way I see it..Joe didn't want to be high on live tv during the PPV and had to watch the fight sober. He was saying stuff like Diaz should be worried few rounds later.... You know..."Carlos is winning this fight" SO HE GOES HOME......puts on the beer goggles to improve his vision and smoked weed until his skull was numb... NOW...ala peanut butter sandwiches!............a bang of munchos later..DIAZ WON! YAAA man DIAZ won....hehe he didn't even have to throw spinning shit..ya!

[K1NG P3NN]

Thank you Joe for your opinion. But the interim title is not around Nicks waist so it doesnt really matter. Respect the opinion but that doesnt and shouldnt take anything away from Condit's victory. He won, it's done, get over it.

[Sakara=Excitement]

I got it...Joe went home, got high and thought Nick won who in turn was high.

[Dr. MMA]

I re-watched the fights a couple of times, and my scoring was consistent: rd1 Condit, rd2 Diaz, rd 3 Condit, rd4 Condit and rd5 Diaz. The fight was nonetheless close and I'm not surprised there is controversy.