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[FCK]

Originally Posted by NLRepublic

Good for Hendo. For a guy in his 40's who just put off one of the most incredible 5 round fights in MMA history, seeing shit like that from Rampage, in Japan no less, probably pisses him of as a professional

Well according to a pretty amazingly interesting article I read on this forum, apparently nobody should need HRT accept in EXTREME circumstances. So an argument is definitely there whether fighters like Hendo and Sonnen would be so successful if they didn't have HRT allowed and whether they actually need it.

[lwbrewer]

Rampage has proven he's not the smartest fighter, and hates to train just look at his history. Hendo dimed him out and probely would love to avenge his loss to him. Anderson is tied up for now and so is Jones so this would be a good tune up fight for him. Page you put on a great show, but in the octagon seems to be over by judging your last few fights.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by FCK

Well according to a pretty amazingly interesting article I read on this forum, apparently nobody should need HRT accept in EXTREME circumstances. So an argument is definitely there whether fighters like Hendo and Sonnen would be so successful if they didn't have HRT allowed and whether they actually need it.

Maybe Hendo is one the extreme circumstances? The guy has been wrestling since he was 8 and been cutting weight for over 30 years. So add in his age and the amount of weight cutting he has done over the years and it would not be a shock that this would be an issue for him.

Plus TRT is not a free pass to be able to piss hot. You still need to be within normal levels, all the medical pass does is explain why the stuff shows up in your system. If Hendo pissed over the normal levels he would have gotten in trouble just like everyone else. All TRT does for Hendo is allow him to function as normal 41 year old male.

[lwbrewer]

FCK your riping a Hendo have anything to do with Page has trained with your boy Bisping, and some of us not liking Bisping?lol.

[rivethead]

I'd say it was foolish, and selfish, but I've never been inclined to give rampage the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think he didn't disappoint fans. I think it would be a tremendous disappointment, regardless of whether you got to see him live.

I'm a big Pogues fan. I've seen them close to 30 times. Against my better judgement, I took my wife a few years back to see them in NYC on St. Patricks' Day. Shane was horrible. He showed up late, he was unintelligible, and he wandered off stage several times and had to be brought back by minders. They played for 40 minutes, he sang maybe 6 songs. It was an enormous disappointment. Sure, my wife had never seen them [or Shane] and now she can say she did, but it wasn't in any way satisfying or as absolutely thrilling as it had been back in the day. It would have been better to have seen him stumble through an airport or something, where there wouldn't be the inherent expectations of a performance.

rampage had inherent expectations of a performance. He utterly failed to live up to them.

I think he wanted to get paid. I think he knows he'll never get within sniffing distance of the belt again, that he'd lose to Jones 10 out of 10 times, and so what's left? He wants to get paid, he wants choice spots on key UFC cards, because he's earned them. But he's never been a guy to kill himself in the gym getting ready for a bout, and now there's even less reason to do it, particularly because he's getting paid no matter what.

He allegedly injured his knee three weeks ago. He could have lost 6 pounds in that time without working out at all, just by changing his diet. If he needed to cut more, he could have found low-impact ways to lose the weight along with dieting.

Or he could have pulled out. He could have made an appearance as a guest color commentator, he could have been in the crowd as a VIP and signed autographs later. It wouldn't have been as great for fans as it would have been to see him fight like he used to fight, but that was never an option on the table.


But he made the choices, he's going to live with them.



I'd also bet that the UFC is back in Japan within two years. And I bet he'll try to glom on that card as well. And it wouldn't surprise me if he loses again, unless he's fighting a C level fighter, or he changes his camp and revitalizes his career--which would surprise me.

rh

[Supe]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I'd say it was foolish, and selfish, but I've never been inclined to give rampage the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think he didn't disappoint fans. I think it would be a tremendous disappointment, regardless of whether you got to see him live.

I'm a big Pogues fan. I've seen them close to 30 times. Against my better judgement, I took my wife a few years back to see them in NYC on St. Patricks' Day. Shane was horrible. He showed up late, he was unintelligible, and he wandered off stage several times and had to be brought back by minders. They played for 40 minutes, he sang maybe 6 songs. It was an enormous disappointment. Sure, my wife had never seen them [or Shane] and now she can say she did, but it wasn't in any way satisfying or as absolutely thrilling as it had been back in the day. It would have been better to have seen him stumble through an airport or something, where there wouldn't be the inherent expectations of a performance.

rampage had inherent expectations of a performance. He utterly failed to live up to them.

I think he wanted to get paid. I think he knows he'll never get within sniffing distance of the belt again, that he'd lose to Jones 10 out of 10 times, and so what's left? He wants to get paid, he wants choice spots on key UFC cards, because he's earned them. But he's never been a guy to kill himself in the gym getting ready for a bout, and now there's even less reason to do it, particularly because he's getting paid no matter what.

He allegedly injured his knee three weeks ago. He could have lost 6 pounds in that time without working out at all, just by changing his diet. If he needed to cut more, he could have found low-impact ways to lose the weight along with dieting.

Or he could have pulled out. He could have made an appearance as a guest color commentator, he could have been in the crowd as a VIP and signed autographs later. It wouldn't have been as great for fans as it would have been to see him fight like he used to fight, but that was never an option on the table.


But he made the choices, he's going to live with them.



I'd also bet that the UFC is back in Japan within two years. And I bet he'll try to glom on that card as well. And it wouldn't surprise me if he loses again, unless he's fighting a C level fighter, or he changes his camp and revitalizes his career--which would surprise me.

rh

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[end it with a left]

Originally Posted by lwbrewer

FCK your riping a Hendo have anything to do with Page has trained with your boy Bisping, and some of us not liking Bisping?lol.

It seems more like you and hoss are trolling on a guy for liking Bisbing. There are some of us out there that believe that fighters should rely on their vast amount of experience when their hormones start dropping than taking trt to have the levels of a twenty year old.

[Masscore]

Originally Posted by end it with a left

It seems more like you and hoss are trolling on a guy for liking Bisbing. There are some of us out there that believe that fighters should rely on their vast amount of experience when their hormones start dropping than taking trt to have the levels of a twenty year old.

Then you really have no idea how TRT works do you. This is not so Hendo can fight, its so Hendo can live a normal life. Even if Hendo was not fighting at the moment he would still be taking TRT just so he can live his life like a normal 41 year old male. And once again, just because he is doing TRT doesn't mean he gets a free pass. He still has to piss normal levels like every other fighter. He is taking it so he can be NORMAL. Sonnen and Marquadt may have abused the system but that doesn't mean Hendo has.

Finally, 41 may be old in fighter years but in the real world 41 isn't that old at all. So he is taking it to be a normal middle aged guy.

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by end it with a left

It seems more like you and hoss are trolling on a guy for liking Bisbing. There are some of us out there that believe that fighters should rely on their vast amount of experience when their hormones start dropping than taking trt to have the levels of a twenty year old.

[Repenter]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I'd say it was foolish, and selfish, but I've never been inclined to give rampage the benefit of the doubt.

I don't think he didn't disappoint fans. I think it would be a tremendous disappointment, regardless of whether you got to see him live.

I'm a big Pogues fan. I've seen them close to 30 times. Against my better judgement, I took my wife a few years back to see them in NYC on St. Patricks' Day. Shane was horrible. He showed up late, he was unintelligible, and he wandered off stage several times and had to be brought back by minders. They played for 40 minutes, he sang maybe 6 songs. It was an enormous disappointment. Sure, my wife had never seen them [or Shane] and now she can say she did, but it wasn't in any way satisfying or as absolutely thrilling as it had been back in the day. It would have been better to have seen him stumble through an airport or something, where there wouldn't be the inherent expectations of a performance.

rampage had inherent expectations of a performance. He utterly failed to live up to them.

I think he wanted to get paid. I think he knows he'll never get within sniffing distance of the belt again, that he'd lose to Jones 10 out of 10 times, and so what's left? He wants to get paid, he wants choice spots on key UFC cards, because he's earned them. But he's never been a guy to kill himself in the gym getting ready for a bout, and now there's even less reason to do it, particularly because he's getting paid no matter what.

He allegedly injured his knee three weeks ago. He could have lost 6 pounds in that time without working out at all, just by changing his diet. If he needed to cut more, he could have found low-impact ways to lose the weight along with dieting.

Or he could have pulled out. He could have made an appearance as a guest color commentator, he could have been in the crowd as a VIP and signed autographs later. It wouldn't have been as great for fans as it would have been to see him fight like he used to fight, but that was never an option on the table.


But he made the choices, he's going to live with them.



I'd also bet that the UFC is back in Japan within two years. And I bet he'll try to glom on that card as well. And it wouldn't surprise me if he loses again, unless he's fighting a C level fighter, or he changes his camp and revitalizes his career--which would surprise me.

rh

i don't know how you drew that comparison, but it works perfectly. at least rampage didn't repeatedly vomit into the first three rows during 'pair of brown eyes.'

the look on rampage's face when he gets taken down is the most telling bit about where his career is going. completely disinterested, and scared in a really annoyed kind of way. he'll still act like he's too good to fight guys like hamill, but will never get past the shoguns and jones' of the division. at this point, he's half a click above gatekeeper, and i don't know if a guy of his pride will be able to deal with that.