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[carbondioxide830]

anderson silva is the greatest fighter of all time (at this point). jon jones could very well take that title from him and let's not forget that jose aldo is only 25 years old. but right now, in my opinion, if you back to the very beginning of mixed martial arts all the way to today...anderson silva is the greatest of all time.

and wtf is "super lucky" ????

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by carbondioxide830

anderson silva is the greatest fighter of all time (at this point). jon jones could very well take that title from him and let's not forget that jose aldo is only 25 years old. but right now, in my opinion, if you back to the very beginning of mixed martial arts all the way to today...anderson silva is the greatest of all time.

Yes Im a big Hendo fan but JJ and Anderson are 2 guys that he just doesnt stand much chance against. Then again nobody at LHW have a good chance at Jones and same for Anderson at MW.

[The Donosaur]

Never count out a guy with an iron chin, and a rocket launcher fist.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

The fight definitely wasn't embarrasing to me. Maia did what he could but basically he got shut down. Silva left a buffet of violence all over his face.

...and thus, you prove my point: you couldn't tell an embarrassing situation if you paid $50 to watch it.

Maia wasn't even top 5, he gave up a ridiculous size advantage and has never had any striking to speak of. Anderson "shut down his offense" but that's what the champion is supposed to do when they have a weak challenger. Well, one of the things he's supposed to do. The other is to finish the fight.

You can try to write off the clowning as something Jones or Ali or the Prince had done, but those guys were finishing the fights against the guys they were clowning. Anderson actually managed to gas from clowning around and couldn't even finish the weakest opponent he'd faced in years.

That, in short is pathetic. An embarrassment if you will.

To flip the coin, if Fedor had danced around against a plodding Tim Sylvia to the point where he got too tired to finish him, the interweb world would have gone absolutely bugfuck. And Tim was a much more viable opponent than Maia. It would be seen as an enormous embarrassment to Fedor's career.

To say nothing of the racist bullshit Anderson spewed at Maia.

rh

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by rivethead

...and thus, you prove my point: you couldn't tell an embarrassing situation if you paid $50 to watch it.

Maia wasn't even top 5, he gave up a ridiculous size advantage and has never had any striking to speak of. Anderson "shut down his offense" but that's what the champion is supposed to do when they have a weak challenger. Well, one of the things he's supposed to do. The other is to finish the fight.

You can try to write off the clowning as something Jones or Ali or the Prince had done, but those guys were finishing the fights against the guys they were clowning. Anderson actually managed to gas from clowning around and couldn't even finish the weakest opponent he'd faced in years.

That, in short is pathetic. An embarrassment if you will.

To flip the coin, if Fedor had danced around against a plodding Tim Sylvia to the point where he got too tired to finish him, the interweb world would have gone absolutely bugfuck. And Tim was a much more viable opponent than Maia. It would be seen as an enormous embarrassment to Fedor's career.

To say nothing of the racist bullshit Anderson spewed at Maia.

rh

No I simply do not share your point of view as I stated earlier a bad performance was Silva Vs Sonnen despite all the other bs variables that went into that bout.

Silva fought intelligenty much like GSP and didn't try to finish the fight. I seldomly if ever hear you being equally critical over GSP who usually enjoys a physical advantage over his opposition. More importantly GSP is now known for playing it safe to retain his title often fighting not to lose instead of going for the finish. When is the last time GSP even finished an opponent? Do you hold him by the same regard? Is his performances somehow an embarrasment??

Anyways this is all water under the bridge because It's the job of the challenger to take the title away from the champion which is something Maia failed at miserably.

Silva has managed to finish a good portion of his fights within 2 rounds while receiving minimal damage like he did with Dan Henderson whom is a much more credible threat than Maia and certainly a better opponent for Silva than a rusty ass Tim Slyvia was for Fedor.

Regardless of the outcome the interweb still went "bugfuck". It's no doubt in my mind that Silva went into that fight with the soul intentions on punishing Maia and proving a point that Maia didn't deserve to hold his jockstrap. Like George Bush I would say mission accomplished.

Even if you thought Silva was trying to finish the fight I'm sure you can give him a pass as their isn't a single champion in MMA history that has finished everyone of their fights the way they wanted to. Even in boxing amongst the names mentioned RJJ, Naseem and Ali didn't have a perfect finishing record despite their clowning.

You are being unrealistic and very biased especially when you know that Silva has never clowned any fighter like that in the history of his career. To think his actions were followed without intent is bordreline moronic.

We do agree on one thing he definitely got tired in his risky pursuit at clowning Maia which only adds to the fact that this fight was very personal to him. To say he was beside himself is an understatement.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by roaddawg

Silva fought intelligenty much like GSP and didn't try to finish the fight. I seldomly if ever hear you being equally critical over GSP who usually enjoys a physical advantage over his opposition. More importantly GSP is now known for playing it safe to retain his title often fighting not to lose instead of going for the finish. When is the last time GSP even finished an opponent? Do you hold him by the same regard? Is his performances somehow an embarrasment??

No, he didn't "fight" at all, never mind "intelligenty."

I've always been critical of Georges for fighting guys smaller than him, I've been a strong advocate for same-day weigh-ins since before you discovered MMA. And yes, Georges has played safe. I've criticized him for that as well. But anderson wasn't playing safe. He was clowning a guy who didn't even deserve to be in the cage with him, and then he gassed. That's not fighting conservatively, or intelligenty or whatever you want to misspell. That's fucking up. If Georges came out and fought Marcus Davis by playing air guitar [two fights after Davis had been KTFO'd] and then didn't have the cardio to actually finish him, it would have been an embarrassment as well.00

Anyways this is all water under the bridge because It's the job of the challenger to take the title away from the champion which is something Maia failed at miserably.

No, that's a bullshit excuse mopes make for lazy champions. Especially when they're not fighting the best fighter available.

Regardless of the outcome the interweb still went "bugfuck". It's no doubt in my mind that Silva went into that fight with the soul intentions on punishing Maia and proving a point that Maia didn't deserve to hold his jockstrap. Like George Bush I would say mission accomplished.

Yeah, because failing to actually finish a guy who doesn't deserve to hold your jock is very convincing.

I find your analogy quoting Bush to be incredibly apt, but probably not in the way you intended. [and simply because you're not bright enough to figure that out, I'll break it dumb for you: While PR would love to pretend that missions were actually accomplished, reality would beg to differ in both cases.]

Even if you thought Silva was trying to finish the fight I'm sure you can give him a pass as their isn't a single champion in MMA history that has finished everyone of their fights the way they wanted to. Even in boxing amongst the names mentioned RJJ, Naseem and Ali didn't have a perfect finishing record despite their clowning.

This discussion wasn't about boxing records. It was about your inability to recognize an embarrassment if you paid to watch it, and you've proved my point. It's not a matter of him not being able to finish. It's a matter of him blowing all his time and energy air-guitaring around a guy he should be able to finish in the first round--kind of like, I dunno, Marquardt had done 8 months previously. You remember Marquardt--he was another guy who didn't deserve to be in the cage with Anderson, according to Silva's camp. And yet he still managed to do something Anderson couldn't, despite being a good-not-great striker.

That's the embarrassing issue: He should have been able to destroy Maia. He should have been able to do it immediately. But he chose to act like a buffoon, and then he couldn't get the job done when it counted.

You are being unrealistic and very biased especially when you know that Silva has never clowned any fighter like that in the history of his career. To think his actions were followed without intent is bordreline moronic.

Again, you're missing the point. I'm not saying Anderson is an embarrassment. I'm not saying he sucks. I'm not saying he's not one of the best fighters on the planet. I'm not saying he couldn't beat Maia again. I'm two things: it was an embarrassment, and you are too pathetic to be able to recognize it.

We do agree on one thing he definitely got tired in his risky pursuit at clowning Maia which only adds to the fact that this fight was very personal to him. To say he was beside himself is an understatement.

Yeah, he gassed. I'm sure all the terrible trash talk Maia dropped pre-fight really got under his skin, you know, all the terrible shit he said about Silva's mom, and his wife and stuff...it's totally understandable. All the racist "playboy" shit Anderson spouted in the cage, totally justified. When he gassed it really wasn't embarrassing, because he was just showing his sensitive side. It's not the job of a champion to actually try to finish a fight when his feelings are so [mysteriously] hurt.

Oh, and my case is rested. You wouldn't be able to tell an embarrassing situation when it comes to Anderson if you paid $50 to watch it.

rh