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If overeem is cleared why would he fight another number one contenders match? that diaz scenario was different, they only took away a title shot because he wasn't deserving, AO earned the shot and did nothing to have it taken away other then a positive test so he either used and won't ever fight in the states again or it was a mistake and he should fight for the title.
Even with a clean B sample, there are still variables that could prevent him from fighting, depending on how things play out. The news broke two days ago, and there hasn't been any word from Alistair's camp. The longer he waits to address the issue, the more difficult he's making it for the UFC to keep him on the card. 50 days is plenty of time to hype a new challenger for the title, but is 40? Is 30?

Remember, the estimation of results from the B sample is at least two weeks. If he waits till the end of next week to indicate he wants it tested, he's effectively cutting a month off the time that could be used to hype a new challenger--with only the hope of a tainted sample. I know public opinion doesn't mean a damn thing, but public opinion is indicating that hope is a very slim one right now.

I just don't see a marketing powerhouse like Zuffa standing around while the clock is inexorably ticking, hoping that a fighter whose previous behavior is as suspicious as AO's simply had a sample with erroneous results from an accredited lab.

I would see them pulling him from the main event based entirely on the time it would take to exhonerate him from suspicion, time which he's adding to with his inactivity. If it turns out that everyone who is doubting him is somehow wrong, great, he still gets to fight, but he's lost the opportunity to fight for the title based on the risk vs. reward that he'd actually clean.

Right now, there is tremendous risk that he is juicing. The reward is a solid PPV...but even if he's clean, that potential for a clean AO title fight PPV is still out there. Lets say JDS demolishes Mir, for instance. AO can still fight JDS in December, and they can bill it as Overeem fighting to clear his name or something. If Mir somehow manages to win, they can bill it as a classic striker vs. grappler matchup. Either bout would sell PPVs, just not in May.

And if he's as dirty as I've long suspected, then Zuffa took pro-active action, and got rid of him early.



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I think Dana and the UFC want that fight so bad, they would do anything to keep it.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:53 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Joking about somebodies mum having cancer is "ok" to you? You think the man pisses hot for an elevated level of testosterone and you can call him a faker over his mum's cancer condition? That's fucked up.

Stick to the evidence, instead of making distasteful comments.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:20 AM   #14 (permalink)
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The issue is the UFC really can't wait around to see what happens. They need to promote the event and they need a main event in order to do that. Overeem's whole thing might not be figured out until late April or early May.

Its not just Diaz they did this too as well. They have done it to Evans in the past and Fitch had to win several number 1 contender matches and never got his title shot.
Patience is a virtue.
Give Overeem a chance to defend himself before making any final decisions. If the event has to be rescheduled then it is what it is.

Plus I don't like the idea of last minute replacements being thrown into a title match without ample time for training. As you all know if they lose then the excuse will be "Well I took this fight on short notice to appease the fans".

Either the UFC does the event correctly or don't do it at all. Either way its the same result, "Pissed off fans".

The JDS vs Overeem fight is what people wanted to see. There is no other substitute on the UFC roster that would be equally gratifying for fight fans. Noone wants to see Mir get KTFO by JDS for $50 bucks...

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WTF?

Joking about somebodies mum having cancer is "ok" to you? You think the man pisses hot for an elevated level of testosterone and you can call him a faker over his mum's cancer condition? That's fucked up.

Stick to the evidence, instead of making distasteful comments.
You do realize the cancer story was a fake excuse to miss a drug test, right . . . . . . right?
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You do realize the cancer story was a fake excuse to miss a drug test, right . . . . . . right?
Is that validated?
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Patience is a virtue.
Give Overeem a chance to defend himself before making any final decisions. If the event has to be rescheduled then it is what it is.

Plus I don't like the idea of last minute replacements being thrown into a title match without ample time for training. As you all know if they lose then the excuse will be "Well I took this fight on short notice to appease the fans".

Either the UFC does the event correctly or don't do it at all. Either way its the same result, "Pissed off fans".

The JDS vs Overeem fight is what people wanted to see. There is no other substitute on the UFC roster that would be equally gratifying for fight fans.
So the UFC should wait, then have Overeem most likely fail his sample B (just about 100% of people fail their sample B after their sample A fails) only about a month before the title fight and shut down the event and lose out on millions of dollars. This is why you will never ever run a business.

Or the smart move would be to move in Frank Mir who will probably sell more PPVs then Overeem. Mir is arugably the most popular HW in the UFC among causal fans and the most well known at the moment since Lesnar left. Every single person who knows anything about the UFC or MMA in general knows who Frank Mir is. Thanks to his TUF run as a coach, headling UFC 100 and headling several other cards. I am willing to bet JDS v. Mir would outsell JDS v. Overeem by at least 50K possibly 100K. And those people who say no just have no idea how popular Mir is among the causal MMA fans compared to JDS and Overeem.
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WTF?

Joking about somebodies mum having cancer is "ok" to you? You think the man pisses hot for an elevated level of testosterone and you can call him a faker over his mum's cancer condition? That's fucked up.

Stick to the evidence, instead of making distasteful comments.
I'm not joking about anyone's mum having cancer. I'm indicating that I do not believe anything AO says. The only source for her condition has been him. First, he described her situation as so critical, he just had to leave town when faced with the decision to go take an immediate urinalysis required for him to be licensed to fight.

Two weeks later, after recieving the conditional license [and dodging a urinalysis bullet], he stated something to the effect of doctors found a "couple of cells" but that it was nothing to worry about.

You can choose to believe him and his hype. I will choose not to bother even trying.

My mother died of cancer. I look at AO as someone who would pretend his mother's health ws threatened simply to avoid his own threat of being held responsible for testing like any other fighter. Once his threat is alleviated, her threat magically evaporates as well. Personally, I find that a bit disgusting.

Feel free to call it coincidence and accept his word on it, you certainly have the right to your own opinion.

But for me; the remarkable--no, lets call it astromically implausible--unbroken string of coincidences for him to avoid taking a piss test added up long ago to him being anything but trustworthy.

Do I see him as someone who would lie about his mother rather than take responsibility? I'm afraid I do.

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Give Overeem a chance to defend himself before making any final decisions. If the event has to be rescheduled then it is what it is.
So let me get this straight, you feel like the UFC should wait and see; and potentially reschedule the event, because the challenger needs time?

Hmmm....
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Plus I don't like the idea of last minute replacements being thrown into a title match without ample time for training. As you all know if they lose then the excuse will be "Well I took this fight on short notice to appease the fans".
It's 50 days till the fight. 50 days = 7 weeks. Most camps are 6 weeks.

If the UFC doesn't wait and see, they actually have time for a new challenger to train adequately, and remove the excuses you're concerned about. So maybe patience is the wrong way to go, expecially with Alistair avoiding any type of speedy resolution by not authorizing the second sample to be tested.

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The JDS vs Overeem fight is what people wanted to see. There is no other substitute on the UFC roster that would be equally gratifying for fight fans. Noone wants to see Mir get KTFO by JDS for $50 bucks...
Mir is as big of a draw, if not bigger, than AO. Not only that, he's got a far better resume.

But lets go back to your statement about "If the event has to be rescheduled then it is what it is..."

Do you really expect anyone who has read your nonsense to feel like you actually believe this to be universal? If, say, chael sonnen had a bad A sample going into an upcoming bout with Anderson, do you really think anyone would believe you'd agree with that event being rescheduled? Rescheduled over sonnen's theoretical fuckup?

Aren't you one of those hacks that bust out the tired old "it's the challenger's job to take the belt from the champion" quip whenever you can?

Please. You can lie to yourself, son. Just don't try to lie to the rest of us.

Or if you're going to make the effort, don't suck at it so pathetically.

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