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The Fight Nerd | Thiago Alves Fires Acting Jiu Jitsu Coach After Kampmann Loss

Perennial UFC welterweight contender Thiago Alves was reported having let go of his cornerman and acting Jiu Jitsu coach today, citing the critical last-minute error that cost Alves his previously dominant headliner against Martin Kampmann as the reason for the termination. Last month, on the top of the UFC on FX 2 card, Alves was on the winning end of the vast majority of the bout. With Kampmann hurt and up against the cage in the final round, Alves’ corner called for a takedown that was reversed into a guillotine choke and a huge comeback win by Kampmann.

“At this level, we have to be very precise, and we have to work toward the win,” Alves told MMA Junkie via its radio program. “Maybe he wanted me to finish the fight in a safe position. Maybe he wanted me to finish the fight on the ground so he could take credit for it. I don’t know. But I’m a striker. That’s what I do…. I’ve got to trust the people outside the corner. That’s what they’re there for.”

I bet losing 4 out of his past 6 fights was all because of that corner man too. No way could it be the fault of the fighter's.

[disposableassassin]

if someone in his corner called for that takedown then yes that man should go. that was dumb on so many levels. that said i enjoyed every last second of it.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

As much as I enjoy watching Alves fights, it hurts a lil to have to try and place when the last time he was really considered a "Perennial UFC welterweight contender"....

It is my firm belief that GSP in fact, took Thiago's soul.

[DanC]

Sorry, but how is his corner man MORE to blame for the loss than Alves? When it comes down to it, Alves is the one in control of his body, and can choose not to go for a takedown. If you watch the fight, his corner were right to call for a takedown, so that Alves finished in a dominant position, and could really maximise the effectiveness of his strikes and minimise the risk of being countered (or so you'd think). I'm a big Alves fan, but to fire his BJJ coach for calling for a takedown is just a great way of saying "oh the loss isn't my fault, it's my coaches" and avoid taking responsibility for his actions/mistake (and thus learning from it).

[CtGreat]

Alves, it's your fucking fault you got choked out, not your jujitsu coaches.......that's just silly.

[Sakara=Excitement]

Originally Posted by disposableassassin

if someone in his corner called for that takedown then yes that man should go. that was dumb on so many levels. that said i enjoyed every last second of it.

Wait, so because a cornerman yells to go for the takedown he's dumb but the fighter isn't for going for the takedown?

[disposableassassin]

Originally Posted by Sakara=Excitement

Wait, so because a cornerman yells to go for the takedown he's dumb but the fighter isn't for going for the takedown?

Oh no no no don't misunderstand I think Alves is a complete buffoon. I could have had a god standing in my corner yelling go for the takedown, and that still wouldn't have stopped me from just continuing to punch kampmann's face off.


In conclusion cornerman yelling go for a takedown in that situation=stupid
A seasoned fighter actually listening to that advice=moron
Thiago airing his dirty laundry in public and bashing a coach by basically blaming him for the loss=weak sauce

Imagine reading this article then getting a call asking if you would like to join Alves' camp.........ummmm no thanks I'll pass.

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Originally Posted by disposableassassin

In conclusion cornerman yelling go for a takedown in that situation=stupid
A seasoned fighter actually listening to that advice=moron
Thiago airing his dirty laundry in public and bashing a coach by basically blaming him for the loss=weak sauce

Listening to your cornerman is not stupid. Wtf is the point of having them if you don't believe that they can see things you are not aware of and guide you? Blaming them for the loss is stupid though, he had poor technique and left his neck out there.. his own damn fault.

[Rise]

I mentioned this in the other thread but see as more are talking here. It's not the corner mans fault Thiago left his neck out there to be taken for the guillotine. Can debate all we want whether it was the right call for the takedown or not.

It is entirely possible to take a person down though without getting caught in a guillotine though and your ultimately responsible for getting caught.

[Sakara=Excitement]

In today's landscape, it's all about 'points' in a close fight and it's the judges fault by awarding a takedown like it's the greatest thing ever in an MMA match.

Thiago was trying to steal the fight for the judges ala Dan Hardy vs Chris Lytle and got caught. His fault, not his cornerman's.