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Originally Posted by theDonTurtle

you have a lot of room to call anyone a nuthugger with a name like "diegonightmare"

at least BJ has earned peoples respect and admiration because of his talent and his performances.

I would like to see how diego would do against Gomi,Hughes,GSP,Lyoto,Renzo etc. but hey he did beat Riggs and robbed karo and diaz

he didn't rob karo or diaz....he won those fights convincingly IMO. but i would also like to see him get in the octagon with any of those guys you named.

[Trustym2]

Originally Posted by Ubermensch

I have noticed most of the people who hate Penn tend to be Matt Hughes Lovers or Diego Sanches Lovers. IMO it is because they know Penn is better than on of their favorate fighters. Entail they choose to overlook Penns skill and accomplishments as a fighter and bag on his few losses as if they were many and not as razor thin if not questionable (sometimes) as they are. Just an observation I have made.

I don't know about that. BJ is my favorite fighter. But, I also like Diego Sanchez and am a Matt Hughes fan. I would take BJ over the other 2, but I wouldn't trash talk any of them.

[Bunnytoes]

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[Rufio]

Originally Posted by Diegonightmare

I don't hate BJ Penn. Reread every one of my posts and you'll realize that I don't hate the guy...I give him mad props and I consider him one of the best MMA fighters on earth. What more do you want?

Maybe that you stop trying to pretend that Matt Hughes is the better fighter based on their second fight, when Penn in fact proved the better fighter IN that fight?

Originally Posted by Diegonightmare

What I do hate is for folks to make excuses for him, or to hypothesize "what if" scenarios and then try to lend them the same substance as cold hard fact.

That Penn broke his rib IS a cold hard fact. That he had a submission locked on Hughes before the time ran out IS a cold hard fact. It's not like people are pulling this out of their asses. We actually saw for two rounds who the better fighter was. Matt Hughes has all the props for winning the fight, BUT he has still not proven that he can beat Penn without something like a freak injury occuring. In fact, he was losing the fight and came close to being subbed before the injury.

Saying Hughes won the fight is fine; however, you're full of shit if you try to use that fight to prove he's the better fighter. Again, it's not all about who wins and who loses. Anything can happen in a fight -- the slightest mistake or freak injury and the best MMA fighter could lose to the worst. It's about how the fight goes down.

Originally Posted by Diegonightmare

"What if" he hadn't injured himself (in a fight, mind you - this isn't coloring class). "What if" he applied himself more to his training. "What if" the judges got it all wrong and GSP robbed from him. "What if" there had been 10 more seconds remaining in round 2 (guess what, there are rules and time limits...what if Matt hughes had 4 arms? it doesn't matter to say "what if", it's not going to happen and it's not going to change anything).

Um, did Hughes look to you like he was going to escape that sub? The point is that being saved from defeat by a round ending is LUCK. Matt Hughes didn't make the round end before he tapped with his special round-ending skills that he learned from Pat Miletech.


Again, there's a difference between who won a fight and who proved to be the better fighter. Pointing out why the guy that lost looked like the better fighter is NOT making "excuses." Bringing up conditioning is different, and Penn is far from the only fighter whose conditioning is questioned. Overeem is another one.