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[RearNakedStroke]

Originally Posted by Bearded Big Country

Why not make him go down to 205? No Roids so no muscle mass, then he can be back to 205 like he was in Pride. He has experience and great stand up, why not use that at 205 with out juicing.

I'm no expert on the subject, but I would think it would take a while for him to get back to 205 through dieting and not roiding.

[FCK]

Why would the UFC release him after ONE failed T/E recording?

They didn't fire Chael, and he fought at a level higher than AO did?

It would be a massive double standard for the UFC to go, "Whoa? WTF? You were boosting you T/E level artificially, get the hell out this organization, we don't want no dirty fighters in this organization!"

Especially considering they're gonna welcome back Chris Leben in November. True, it was a totally different substance he tested positive for, and yes, circumstantial evidence points and AO roiding before in his career, but again, this isn't a new low set by AO. People need to get a grip and stop being so out raged and hysterical.

I mean hell the UFC is just about to welcome back Barnett into the HW division? They might aswell just roll over and say "don't do again" to the Reem as they know it won't be the last time they'll catch a fighter on their roster with a high T/E level.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by Bearded Big Country

Why not make him go down to 205? No Roids so no muscle mass, then he can be back to 205 like he was in Pride. He has experience and great stand up, why not use that at 205 with out juicing.

Absolutely ABSURD. Reem walks around at 270 and was skinny as a post at 205.

Reem had some help in building his muscle mass but works hard as or harder than any heavyweight in the sport. When comparing Alistair and Brock's workouts, it is like Reem is in a higher weight class. To simply brush off Alistair's condition as only due to substances is fucking absurd. Alistair works harder in one training camp to achieve a new level of fitness than you will work out in the course of your entire lifetime.

You can however question Alistair's morals.

Please direct me to the positive steroid tests, goof. The grease on your chin and fingers must have cut your post intellectually short because you needed another whopper.

Originally Posted by RearNakedStroke

I'm no expert on the subject, but I would think it would take a while for him to get back to 205 through dieting and not roiding.

Herp. Derp.

[Pasha K]

BTW Alistair did not had excellent results as a LHW and however as a HW he has been much more succesful. No point in going to LHW for him

[FCK]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Absolutely ABSURD. Reem walks around at 270 and was skinny as a post at 205.

Reem had some help in building his muscle mass but works hard as or harder than any heavyweight in the sport. When comparing Alistair and Brock's workouts, it is like Reem is in a higher weight class. To simply brush off Alistair's condition as only due to substances is fucking absurd. Alistair works harder in one training camp to achieve a new level of fitness than you will work out in the course of your entire lifetime.

You can however question Alistair's morals.

Please direct me to the positive steroid tests, goof. The grease on your chin and fingers must have cut your post intellectually short because you needed another whopper.




Herp. Derp.

Finally! Some sense being written here! I'd rep you if I could but..

PLUS the fact you take one look at his brother, and you can see he has good genetics to be naturally massive in the first place. I mean look at Valentijn's back? Its no surprise Alistair is a big guy, and Valentijn ain't even that heavy, he's just very muscly.

Please god let there be no more rubbish spoken of Overeem as a natural LHW, and should be "forced" to move down weight classes as some stupid punishment.

[optimusjoel]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Absolutely ABSURD. Reem walks around at 270 and was skinny as a post at 205.

Reem had some help in building his muscle mass but works hard as or harder than any heavyweight in the sport. When comparing Alistair and Brock's workouts, it is like Reem is in a higher weight class. To simply brush off Alistair's condition as only due to substances is fucking absurd. Alistair works harder in one training camp to achieve a new level of fitness than you will work out in the course of your entire lifetime.

You can however question Alistair's morals.

Please direct me to the positive steroid tests, goof. The grease on your chin and fingers must have cut your post intellectually short because you needed another whopper.




Herp. Derp.

WHAT?? you mean to tell me "roids" don't instantly make you look like Ronnie Coleman?

[Bearded Big Country]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Absolutely ABSURD. Reem walks around at 270 and was skinny as a post at 205.

Reem had some help in building his muscle mass but works hard as or harder than any heavyweight in the sport. When comparing Alistair and Brock's workouts, it is like Reem is in a higher weight class. To simply brush off Alistair's condition as only due to substances is fucking absurd. Alistair works harder in one training camp to achieve a new level of fitness than you will work out in the course of your entire lifetime.

You can however question Alistair's morals.

Please direct me to the positive steroid tests, goof. The grease on your chin and fingers must have cut your post intellectually short because you needed another whopper.




Herp. Derp.

Grease on my fingers and chin? Cheap shot. He may not have tested positive but you dont get 14:1 from horse meat, vitamins and prayers. 205 is just me throwing out ideas and either way he'll have 9 months to figure out what he wants to do.

[Happypants]

So Chael tests positive at a higher level after a fight. He admits to using TRT and there is a whole scandal about what was and wasn't told to the athletic commission before the fight. He gets 6 months.

Alistar test positive out of competition for rehabing an injury and gets 9 months.

I have no doubt if random testing was done on fighters out of competition we would be seeing a lot more positive tests. People use drugs to rehab injuries.

[RearNakedStroke]

Originally Posted by FCK

Why would the UFC release him after ONE failed T/E recording?

They didn't fire Chael, and he fought at a level higher than AO did?

It would be a massive double standard for the UFC to go, "Whoa? WTF? You were boosting you T/E level artificially, get the hell out this organization, we don't want no dirty fighters in this organization!"

The fact that they didn't fire Chael doesn't mean they shouldn't fire Overeem. They sure as hell didn't hesitate to fire Marquardt. And that was a similar situation. He killed their card. Only Overeem killed a much bigger card. And they should have canned Chael too.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

For me, I see credibility being the biggest issue going forward with Overeem, as I would the same with Barnett if/when he ever returns to the UFC. BOTH have serious shots at being the face of the UFC HW division and could most definately win the title....but ZUFFA runs the risk of them a)pissing dirty and b)stemming from a),jeopardizing UFC title legitimacy AND PPV cards, due to the possibility of having to be pulled.

For me, Overeem's always been something of tainted goods because when I hear hoofsteps, I think horses NOT horsemeat, which is an absolute risk UFC ran signing him(I mean, they took Overeem's word he wasn't doping and he lied, not a great impression to make on your employers) and it wasn't a shock to anybody that he pissed dirty. However, as a UFC talent going forward, while he's a legitmate draw and an awesome physical specimen to highlight on billboards in Time Square, there's always going to be an asterisk beside his name as he runs the risk of being a repeat offender(his incredulity is quite oft-putting given his current situation and the debacle preceeding the Lesnar bout in November), all of which taints his credibility.

I wouldn't cut Overeem, but I directly put him in the same boat as Barnett in the "You know what you signed up for" category, only difference being that I believe Barnett w/o the use of PEDs is one of the best technical HWs on the planet and I somewhat question how much of Overeem's HW success can be attributed to his mass.

My stance on Overeem is proceed with caution. I don't trust him whatsoever and think that talent aside, there are many hurdles for him to get over to gain ZUFFA's trust.

A showdown upon his return would be REALLY sweet, but I don't know if they're going to trust putting all their eggs in his basket with the chance they run. I'd be fine with a "Fool me once" standing with Overeem and upon a second shot, they cut all ties. Dunno if ZUFFA cares to be that lenient.