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04-25-2012, 08:50 PM
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I'm sick of hearing how humble he is. You are not humble if you call your opponents pawns, & say you expect to be better than ali. I don't mind if a guy is cocky but i do hate when they are but claim to be humble. The word for that is fake btw.
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04-25-2012, 09:29 PM
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It is not that hard to tell when a guy shows how he really is and when someone is trying way too hard to be liked.
Jones sometimes tries way too hard to look as the most humble fighter in the world, and then he says or make things that clearly show that he is fake.
As someone else said, the Jones making duck lips next to a car is the real and genuine Jones.
Vitali Klitschko said once that a good fighter not only has to be skilled as a fighter, he also needs to be a good actor. Well Jones is not a good actor at all. He is trying, but even Rashad Evans looked more genuine with his persona of "super cool guy" during TUF 10
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04-25-2012, 10:55 PM
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he needs to have ron artest teach him how to throw bows.....
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04-26-2012, 01:06 AM
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Hendo's not the only one.
I was tremendously disgusted by the way Jones treated his chokeout victory over Machida, dropping Machida's deadweight without any regard for Machida's wellbeing or physical condition. It took Jackson's coxing to get him to "check" on Machida and was unsportsmanlike in my eyes. I don't blame him for the Rashad drama as much as I think Jackson/Winkeljohn put their money on the better horse and mishandled that situation very poorly.
Jones is an incredible, however YOUNG superstar athlete with a shitload of money and everybody telling him he's the greatest. To me his current situation feels like the beginning of Rocky 3, losing touch a bit. Hopefully with maturity Jones will lose a bit of what I perceive as arrogance...but as of late I've been unimprezzed.
I love watching Jones fight and think he's one of the best 3 MMA fighters on the planet, but he needs a little more humility for me to be a fan.
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04-26-2012, 02:02 AM
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Hendo is only echoing what a lot of people have been saying about Jones. For me he starting seeming fake around the time he fought Shogun.
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04-26-2012, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre
I was tremendously disgusted by the way Jones treated his chokeout victory over Machida, dropping Machida's deadweight without any regard for Machida's wellbeing or physical condition. It took Jackson's coxing to get him to "check" on Machida and was unsportsmanlike in my eyes. | Add to that that Jackson's coaxing was clearly not motivated by Machida's wellfare at all, but was designed to give the fans a distorted view of Jones. It was a cynical, calculated act which in my opinion is worse than dropping him in the first place.
There's an argument that choking him out and dropping him to the mat looks, well, badass. But if you're going to do that, own it. And if you come down from the completely understandable andrenaline dump that doubtless comes from destroying a guy who was hyped as untouchable a few years back and realize, "Shit, there but for the grace of god go I, I might go see if he's ok," power to you. But don't be told by your coach to do it for the sole purpose of perception management and expect people not to call "bullshit" when the audio is picked up and broadcast over every reputable MMA outlet in the world.
At least when Jorgenson did it, he didn't feel like he had to feign concern afterwards.
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04-26-2012, 04:34 AM
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Personally I'm not complaining. I generally love rooting for guys who has a lot of haters, One of the reason's I'm a huge Fedor fan. People simply love to see a "fall from grace", it's in or nature. But for me I love seeing success piss people off, especially those dying to see that person fall. That kind of shit is just priceless. Jones is on track to do something that has never been done, clean out the light heavyweight division. Quote: |
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04-26-2012, 04:42 AM
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I think there is a lot of crazy shit going on with Jones now. Dana White and Zuffa are pushing the "greatest of all time" angle really hard, and they are making it crystal clear that they are expecting Jones to live up to that. He's really young, and I think he's definitely buying into it. On top of that, like others have said he's just an awkward person. He comes off as a nerd, and people don't like it.
I do not buy into the idea of "haters gonna hate" when it comes to Jones. People have never booed GSP, BJ Penn, or Liddell during their walk outs. Ya they clearly had their detractors, and they seem to come out of the woodworks when one of them loses, but when a guy is winning the most visible fans are the nuthuggers. Jones is just not that likable. He's more like Anderson Silva or Mayweather in that respects, people still want to see him fight, but half of them are hoping he'll lose.
I've seen enough of Jones to know he's not invincible, and he's not the second coming of Ali. There has never been an invincible fighter, and Jones has shown he's no exception. He makes mistakes, he gets punched in the face. I think he'll continue to run through guys at LHW just because there is no one at that weight with the skills to exploit his weaknesses. But if he fucks up once when getting "creative" and gets put away by a guy who should never have touched him, I won't be surprised either.
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04-26-2012, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Fedorlei Gomipierre Hendo's not the only one.
I was tremendously disgusted by the way Jones treated his chokeout victory over Machida, dropping Machida's deadweight without any regard for Machida's wellbeing or physical condition. It took Jackson's coxing to get him to "check" on Machida and was unsportsmanlike in my eyes. I don't blame him for the Rashad drama as much as I think Jackson/Winkeljohn put their money on the better horse and mishandled that situation very poorly.
Jones is an incredible, however YOUNG superstar athlete with a shitload of money and everybody telling him he's the greatest. To me his current situation feels like the beginning of Rocky 3, losing touch a bit. Hopefully with maturity Jones will lose a bit of what I perceive as arrogance...but as of late I've been unimprezzed.
I love watching Jones fight and think he's one of the best 3 MMA fighters on the planet, but he needs a little more humility for me to be a fan. | We're you disgusted by hendos extra hit on Bisping, or on the other guy in masscore's sig?
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04-26-2012, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by joeodd2 If you don't know someone how can you tell if they are being fake? Wouldn't ya kinda have to know what they are really like? This perception bullshit is just a worm planted in brains by other fighters and fans. Suggestive influence, a tainted jury pool. People love to think that they make up all their own perceptions, but the truth is that we are all influenced by something that helps shape our perceptions..... | I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything Joe but the samething is done often here on this forum by you guys. C'mon man is this not the "The Pot calling the kettle black"?
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