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[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Masscore

If I was Jones all I do is clinch with Hendo, put him on his ass and submit him. There is not reason for Jones to try and stand up with Hendo because even if Jones is winning the stand-up it only takes one clean shot from Hendo for him to lose the belt. Take the risk out of it by putting Hendo on his back right away. Which is why I think Jones will do and why I am predicting Jones to win.

I'm 99% sure that's what Jackson is telling him to do, it's the smartest course of action.

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Why do people bring up the Bonnar fight as though it has some sort of relevance? That was his 2nd fight ever in the UFC and he was very very green; he was still training out of NY at that point. You cant even compare that Jones to the Jones that is champ now.

I haven't seen enough improvement in his defense to make that fight irrelevant, at least in my opinion. He's got much better fight plans, and he's getting tighter offensively, but there are still huge holes in his game that he covers with size and range that can still be exploited.

Originally Posted by Tyler Dirten

p.s. I can't agree with the people talking about Jones taking Hendo down easily... as if Dan can't wrestle?!

Dan's weaknesses in grappling are that he gives up the takedown too easily and doesn't work well off his back. He's much better in the clinch.

People calling for a TKO by Jones are calling for a long shot, Dan is much, much more susceptable to a submission than he is getting TKO'd.

rh

[Pasha K]

All I can say is: Go Hendo!!

I am getting tired of Jones being compared with Muhammed Ali and all the greats.
Yes he is a very good fighter but his reach is a huuuge factor and he knows very good how to use it. Maybe Stefan Struve should take some lessons from him.

It is already time to derail the Jones train. Shogun, Machida, Rampage and Rashad failed. Let's hope Hendo will be the one to do it.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I'm 99% sure that's what Jackson is telling him to do, it's the smartest course of action.

Sounds like the same gameplan he used against Page. Keep him at distance, clinch up if you have to, go for submission if it presents itself.

Page was submitted... an outcome soon to be shared by Dan.

Originally Posted by Tyler Dirten

Not sure why so many people are so quick to count Hendo out on this one.

Jones is amazing.

No doubt about it... he's a great fighter.

But Hendo has proven that he is a great fighter too.
Even recently.

Which is something I think people forget about Hendo.

He fought a lot of the greats... in their prime... and came through with the W.

So I'm not counting him out so quick.

Just my two cents.

p.s. I can't agree with the people talking about Jones taking Hendo down easily... as if Dan can't wrestle?!

I say Hendo has no chance in hell using pure MMA math. Page got outclassed and Page beat Hendo. The fighting styles shared between the two isn't that much different.

- Physically Dan is at a size and reach disadvantage.
- His age is a factor. The man is 42 and Jones is what 24?
- Henderson has poor cardio. Barely made it out the fight alive against Shogun. He practically needed a defib to make it back to the locker room.
- Hendo has accomplished a lot and beating Fedor was a great feet but lets not pretend he beat Fedor when he was on top of his game. Fedor had already lost to Werdum and got demolished by Antonio Silva.
- Then we have Jon Jones whose in his prime and despite his relative lack of experience is quickly gaining a name for himself as the Legend Killer. He is effectively beating all of the best guys in his division and doing so in impressive fashion. Dan on the other hand not only lost to Rampage but got out wrestled by Jake Shields. Is anyone here crazy enough to think Shields could do the samething to Jon Jones?

I personally don't care who wins this fight. If Jon Jones loses then we can effectively move him out of the greatest fighter that ever scoured planet earth category and refocus our attention on Anderson Silva (the most dominant champion in UFC history). If JJones wins then it was simply yet another prediction that came to fruition.

Either way its a win/win for me. I hope both of them destroy eachother.

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Originally Posted by Rocky>Fedor

Yes he is a very good fighter but his reach is a huuuge factor and he knows very good how to use it.

coming from a klitchko fan...

so any fighter will shouldnt be compared to greats because of his talents...(they may be why they got great in the first place)

Take away Tyson's explosive power, RJJ reaction, Ali's quickness. Of course they owe a lot of success to that.

You want to say how Jones is without his reach. You mine as well take away GSP's double leg or Anderson's coordination.

Originally Posted by rivethead

People calling for a TKO by Jones are calling for a long shot, Dan is much, much more susceptable to a submission than he is getting TKO'd.

rh

Dan has always been very hard to Submit. It is another quality that made him a legend. Shields had him on his back for round after round and couldnt get an injured/gassed hendo.

Anderson fight could have ended with a TKO or a Sub just the same, Anderson chose to go to the ground and finish it, he landed his punches with great accuracy.

Going that route is definitely safer than standing with him, but its hard to say which would be easier. Hendo is slow and Jones has a big reach on him, It is a recipe for disaster for Dan standing. Sure he has a great chin and big power. That wont win him the fight, it may just buy him some more time or make him last to a decision... best case scenario...

[Kemo]

Jones is on top because he can make 206. What I'm interested in seeing is what happens when he fills his frame out a little more, just can't make 206 anymore, and bulks up to fight heavyweight. I want to see THAT shit.

And no, I'm not dickriding Jones because I don't particularly care for him. Just saying, as a fight fan, I want to see that.

[Pasha K]

I say Hendo has no chance in hell using pure MMA math. Page got outclassed and Page beat Hendo.

Are you joking or are you serious? Coming from you I am afraid that you are serious.

You want to say how Jones is without his reach. You mine as well take away GSP's double leg or Anderson's coordination.

Completely different things.
GSP has great TD and Anderson has great coordination because they worked for it, they were not born with that.

[jn24613]

the problem with training with guys jon jones' size to get used to him is that most dont have that reach. that is why people has such a hard time with him. maybe use sticks with gloves on the end to simulate jon jones reach to train with

[goodtimes]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Its called talking shit man...like how your sig says Jon Jones meet your maker...

Why do people bring up the Bonnar fight as though it has some sort of relevance? That was his 2nd fight ever in the UFC and he was very very green; he was still training out of NY at that point. You cant even compare that Jones to the Jones that is champ now.

Machida, Rashad- those are 2 fighters that utilize good/excellent footwork while striking and are very vast. They are nothing like Hendo. Hendo will probably hit him a few times at some point in the fight....but Jones will beat dat ass like he stole something.

To be fair, Machida killed Evans striking, Shogun out struck Machida, and Hendo out struck Shogun. Ya it is MMA math, but Hendo's striking ability is so underrated. Bisping is a skilled stick and move fighter, maybe more so then Jones, and Hendo made him look like an amateur.

Hendo's striking has improved pretty drastically, he turned a corner in the fight with Bisping. Out of all of the guys Jones has fought, Hendo is the most legitimate KO artist. Rampage and Evans both have good power, but they haven't really shown much ability to land with big power in years. Machida was doing very good standing, he just didn't have the wrestling to deal with Jones' clinch and he got destroyed by the first elbow Jones landed.

Honestly, I think this fight is 10x more interesting then Jones/Evans. Hendo will show up to fight, win or lose.

[_DCdoctr_]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

Its called talking shit man...like how your sig says Jon Jones meet your maker...

Actually, it says, meet your "marker." Neither of which Jon will be doing in said fight.



BP

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by rampage9712

coming from a klitchko fan...

so any fighter will shouldnt be compared to greats because of his talents...(they may be why they got great in the first place)

Take away Tyson's explosive power, RJJ reaction, Ali's quickness. Of course they owe a lot of success to that.

You want to say how Jones is without his reach. You mine as well take away GSP's double leg or Anderson's coordination.

Talents are dynamic in nature. Fighters can improve over time or see their skills deteriorate but at least that is a category that breads competition.

A fighters physical attributes (like their reach advantage for example) never changes... well until they get old . More times than often a fighter can achieve much success based off their physical attributes alone. Jones is a freak fighter at LHW (no different than Lesnar at HW).

Anyone that Jon Jones fights will be at a disadvantage (maybe except for Gustafason). Until that fight happens or until we see Jones fighting other freaks like him we will never know how good he really is.

The sad part is its not his fault and nor should it be. That is the way God made him and he is using his talents to his benefit.