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[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by rivethead

I have Shogun ranked above Rashad.

Shogun also beat Machida, [twice, really] who made Evans photoshop fodder across the interwebs.

rh

MMA math?

[Y2JUBAE]

Originally Posted by GangGreenWarrior

I wouldn't mind seeing him fight Machida again because when he fought him the first time, he had some brain disease where he thought he was a top level striker and left his wrestling at home for the fight. Add to that the fact that it would be a great fight.

That disease is called "scared shitless". He listened to Joe Rogan's rants about how Machida is perfect and is unstoppable, etc. He got beat by the hype before the bell ever rang lol.

I think he choked with Jones too. I'm not sure why it happens, I'm not a fighter, but it happens.

[initial_zen]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

MMA math?

No, thats MMA ranking. Saying shogun would beat Rashad would be mma math.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by 0mega1

Damn it Rashad! Drop down to MW!!!

Agreed... I would love to see him fight Chael Sonnen but fighting Dan Henderson would be equally appealing at lhw.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by initial_zen

No, thats MMA ranking. Saying shogun would beat Rashad would be mma math.

So he ranks Shogun higher than Evans because he beat Machida who beat Evans years ago, right? Seems alittle bit like MMA math to me.

In the same time span since Shogun got destroyed by Bones, Rashad beat both Tito and Davis dominantly. Shogun beat Forrest and lost against Dan Henderson (controversial, but still a loss). How could Shogun be ranked above Evans based off of that? Infact, Shogun has only beaten Forrest, over the hill Chuck, over the hill Coleman, and Machida in his entire time in the UFC. I honestly just dont see how you could rank Shogun over Evans who has only lost 2 times in his career and just took Jones to the 5th round for the first time in his career.

[roaddawg]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

So he ranks Shogun higher than Evans because he beat Machida who beat Evans years ago, right? Seems alittle bit like MMA math to me.

In the same time span since Shogun got destroyed by Bones, Rashad beat both Tito and Davis dominantly. Shogun beat Forrest and lost against Dan Henderson (controversial, but still a loss). How could Shogun be ranked above Evans based off of that? Infact, Shogun has only beaten Forrest, over the hill Chuck, over the hill Coleman, and Machida in his entire time in the UFC. I honestly just dont see how you could rank Shogun over Evans who has only lost 2 times in his career and just took Jones to the 5th round for the first time in his career.

MMA math is quite alive and well.

An example:
- Jon Jones defeats Rampage
- Rampage Defeats Lyoto
= Jone Jones defeating Lyoto

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

So he ranks Shogun higher than Evans because he beat Machida who beat Evans years ago, right? Seems alittle bit like MMA math to me.

In the same time span since Shogun got destroyed by Bones, Rashad beat both Tito and Davis dominantly. Shogun beat Forrest and lost against Dan Henderson (controversial, but still a loss). How could Shogun be ranked above Evans based off of that? Infact, Shogun has only beaten Forrest, over the hill Chuck, over the hill Coleman, and Machida in his entire time in the UFC. I honestly just dont see how you could rank Shogun over Evans who has only lost 2 times in his career and just took Jones to the 5th round for the first time in his career.

MMA math is a term used to describe how people think one fighter would beat another fighter based on their resumes. It doesn't work.

On the other hand, good rankings are based on resumes. So it's not MMA math.

Neither Tito nor Davis were ranked when Evans beat them. Forrest was ranked, and so was Machida, both times. You could also argue that--and I do--that Shogun beat Henderson, who was also ranked.

So--even by your logic--in the same time-frame that Evans beat nobody who was ranked, Shogun beat several ranked fighters. Thus, I have him ranked higher than Evans.

rh

[Kimbo> Rampage]

Evans vs. Machida after Machida beats Bader would be a great fight. Evans has looked better in his past 3 fights than he did when he fought Machida, it would be a tougher fight for Lyoto for sure, but id still take him.

I would also like to see him fight Jones again, only if he really tears through LHW and earns it though. I still see his style as something Jones has to worry about, even though I dont ever see him pulling it off.. he has a much better chance of doing so than someone like Hendo, Shogun, Rampage, Goose, etc.

Originally Posted by CtGreat

If he dropped to MW he would wreak havoc. I would easily pick him over Sonnen, Okami, Munoz, Bisping, and probably even Vitor. I honestly don't know if I could be that confident in Silva beating him either. Evans has never been swept, his hands are quite good (much better than Sonnens), his defensive wrestling is top notch, and his footwork/speed is great.

He is a small LHW that carries around a decent amount of body fat into each fight, he could make MW no problem.

Agree. He is superior to Sonnen in every area, except chin.

He would beat anyone at MW easily except for Anderson. That would be a good fight. Machida would also do the same thing if he dropped down as well.

[Ashy Larry]

Originally Posted by rivethead

MMA math is a term used to describe how people think one fighter would beat another fighter based on their resumes. It doesn't work.

On the other hand, good rankings are based on resumes. So it's not MMA math.

Neither Tito nor Davis were ranked when Evans beat them. Forrest was ranked, and so was Machida, both times. You could also argue that--and I do--that Shogun beat Henderson, who was also ranked.

So--even by your logic--in the same time-frame that Evans beat nobody who was ranked, Shogun beat several ranked fighters. Thus, I have him ranked higher than Evans.

rh

You had Shogun beating Henderson? I feel like there is a strong argument for a draw because it was very possible the last round could have been 10-8 for shogun. Maybe i'm remembering wrong but I thought Hendo had easily won rounds 1,2,3 and Shogun won rounds 4,5.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by Ashy Larry

You had Shogun beating Henderson? I feel like there is a strong argument for a draw because it was very possible the last round could have been 10-8 for shogun. Maybe i'm remembering wrong but I thought Hendo had easily won rounds 1,2,3 and Shogun won rounds 4,5.

That's exactly how I called it when i rewatched the fight. Hendo clearly won rounds 1-3, round 4 was a 10-9 for shogun, round 5 could have easily been a 10-8 for shogun.