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[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

And you would be correct. 4-5 different people's equations into one decent amalgamation, but since Zuffa doesn't base there divisions or matchups off rankings it is inconsequential.

I feel like a better ranking system would be based off of who the people actually beat, not who they "could" beat. But i guess it is irrelevant really. I wish ZUFFA would release some sort of ranking system that would have each division mapped out from #1-10. That would be something I'd love to see.

[TBEAR]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

I feel like a better ranking system would be based off of who the people actually beat, not who they "could" beat. But i guess it is irrelevant really. I wish ZUFFA would release some sort of ranking system that would have each division mapped out from #1-10. That would be something I'd love to see.

So would you have Maia above Chael?

Maia took Chael down and sub'd as SOON as it hit the ground...very impressive win for Maia.

[FCK]

Well you say that Bisping has held such high rankings in the MW division because he lost so well (basically) in the fights that he lost, but in many ways Chael did the same thing?

I mean he was fighting with 16.9:1 T/E ratio wasn't he at the time? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But Chael hasn't looked anywhere near as ferocious as he did in that fight. Despite through his ban, and his fight with Stann, he has always been ranked in the top 3 with Okami and Belfort kinda slipping in around there. I mean the guy cheated, and put on the performance of his lifetime whilst hopped up, and nobody questions he's a top 3 MW in the world.

How would Sonnen do against Belfort huh?

How would Sonnen do against Okami?

How would Sonnen do against Munoz?

As well as he did against Anderson Silva? Hmmmm, the record says no.

I personally think Munoz is ranked higher than he should be on those rankings, as he has only beaten Damien Maia, and Chris Leben. So a slugger, and a black belt in JJ - no biggy.

[Sniggles]

Originally Posted by CtGreat

I feel like a better ranking system would be based off of who the people actually beat, not who they "could" beat. But i guess it is irrelevant really. I wish ZUFFA would release some sort of ranking system that would have each division mapped out from #1-10. That would be something I'd love to see.

If they did, they would have to justify matchups such as the gimme fights after a contender gets squashed. I don't foresee that ever happening and if it does, it would be when MMA/UFC is completely global.

Originally Posted by FCK

Well you say that Bisping has held such high rankings in the MW division because he lost so well (basically) in the fights that he lost, but in many ways Chael did the same thing?

I mean he was fighting with 16.9:1 T/E ratio wasn't he at the time? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But Chael hasn't looked anywhere near as ferocious as he did in that fight. Despite through his ban, and his fight with Stann, he has always been ranked in the top 3 with Okami and Belfort kinda slipping in around there. I mean the guy cheated, and put on the performance of his lifetime whilst hopped up, and nobody questions he's a top 3 MW in the world.

How would Sonnen do against Belfort huh?

How would Sonnen do against Okami?

How would Sonnen do against Munoz?

As well as he did against Anderson Silva? Hmmmm, the record says no.

I personally think Munoz is ranked higher than he should be on those rankings, as he has only beaten Damien Maia, and Chris Leben. So a slugger, and a black belt in JJ - no biggy.

Quick: Who is the last top 5 opponent (at the time of the bout) that Bisping beat?

*Hint* This is a trick question.

[TBEAR]

Rankings are subjective, everyone will see things differently

It is simple guys, Mike is that high cause the MW division is by no means the strongest division out there.

[Fedorlei Gomipierre]

Fedorlei's Rankings are tops IMO :P! One great man's opinion on which fighters he thinks would beat the rest of the division and a terribly subjective take on the rankings concept.

[CtGreat]

Originally Posted by FCK

Well you say that Bisping has held such high rankings in the MW division because he lost so well (basically) in the fights that he lost, but in many ways Chael did the same thing?

I mean he was fighting with 16.9:1 T/E ratio wasn't he at the time? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But Chael hasn't looked anywhere near as ferocious as he did in that fight. Despite through his ban, and his fight with Stann, he has always been ranked in the top 3 with Okami and Belfort kinda slipping in around there. I mean the guy cheated, and put on the performance of his lifetime whilst hopped up, and nobody questions he's a top 3 MW in the world.

How would Sonnen do against Belfort huh?

How would Sonnen do against Okami?

How would Sonnen do against Munoz?

As well as he did against Anderson Silva? Hmmmm, the record says no.

I personally think Munoz is ranked higher than he should be on those rankings, as he has only beaten Damien Maia, and Chris Leben. So a slugger, and a black belt in JJ - no biggy.

When somebody gets popped for juicing, does it discredit all of their past wins which they tested clean? If not, then Sonnen dominated Okami already, he dominated Stann, he dominated Marquardt for the #1 contender spot. He also beat Bisping. So since his Maia fight, he hasnt lost except against silva. Sonnen deserves to be ranked #2. Honestly, Vitor is ranked too high for my tastes also, since he has only had 1 victory at MW ad that was over a top 20 in Akiyama. Okami should be ranked 4-5th based on his wins over Nate and Munoz but his loss to Tim should set him back.

Tbear, no I would not have maia ahead of Sonnen. Maia lost against both Munoz, wiedman, and Silva. He most recently victory was a fighter who was top 15.

It willtake alittle bit, but I will make a list of my top 10 MWs (UFC only) and post it.

[_DCdoctr_]

Originally Posted by Sniggles

Quick: Who is the last top 5 opponent (at the time of the bout) that Bisping beat?

*Hint* This is a trick question.

Originally Posted by FCK

And please?

Really? This is as accurate as me saying you yanks are all about "throwing another shrimp on the barbie."

(and please don't make the mistake of mixing Austrians and Australians reading that)

Aww, don't be so hoity-toity.






BP

[Y2JUBAE]

Lombard: "Damn, Stann is suddenly injured... Hey Bisping, I'm calling you out!"
Bisping: "Uh... Oh yea! I'm injured now too!"
Lombard: "Since when"?
Bisping: "Since I saw you calling me out, I shit myself so bad, I blew my asshole out, Rampage is back there trying to put it back in right now".

[H0SS]

Originally Posted by FCK

Well you say that Bisping has held such high rankings in the MW division because he lost so well (basically) in the fights that he lost, but in many ways Chael did the same thing?

I mean he was fighting with 16.9:1 T/E ratio wasn't he at the time? Correct me if I'm wrong.

But Chael hasn't looked anywhere near as ferocious as he did in that fight. Despite through his ban, and his fight with Stann, he has always been ranked in the top 3 with Okami and Belfort kinda slipping in around there. I mean the guy cheated, and put on the performance of his lifetime whilst hopped up, and nobody questions he's a top 3 MW in the world.

How would Sonnen do against Belfort huh?

How would Sonnen do against Okami?

How would Sonnen do against Munoz?

As well as he did against Anderson Silva? Hmmmm, the record says no.

I personally think Munoz is ranked higher than he should be on those rankings, as he has only beaten Damien Maia, and Chris Leben. So a slugger, and a black belt in JJ - no biggy.

You know he already beat Okami, right? And that despite the T:E ratio, his actual levels were found to be within normal ranges. And he got clearance for TRT for the upcoming Anderson fight. And most importantly...