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[copperfield]

The UFC is a company. It's not the sport of MMA (Gross may have made this argument in the past). Therefore, the company can choose who gets inducted into it's hall of fame. In addition, an MMA hall of fame is needed.

[Ramma]

The day Mask was entered into the HOF was the day it lost any sort of credibility. Not speaking ill of the deceased, just pointing out the reality of the situation that he has no place there.

[MIZjitsZOU]

Originally Posted by Supe

LOL comparing Frank Shamrock to the all time leader in hits, games and at bats in the 100+ year old sport of baseball is laughable RH. Can i ask why you find what he did so reprehensible and worthy of a life time ban? He's never been accused of throwing games or even betting against his team. So what did betting ON his team while playing and managing do...make him try harder? Its a fuckin joke.

If Pete Rose (the manager) had say "10,000" clams on his team Wednesday night then he would use relievers on a meaningless game thus making them lose on another night b/c they might not be available. Gambling in baseball is a Cardinal sin. He knew this and he got dealt the punishment. I think his accolades should be in the hall, just not him, or put him in with an asterick talking about how he is banned.

Just My opinion. I am sure RH has a better answer.

[Supe]

Originally Posted by MIZJUDOZOU

If Pete Rose (the manager) had say "10,000" clams on his team Wednesday night then he would use relievers on a meaningless game thus making them lose on another night b/c they might not be available. Gambling in baseball is a Cardinal sin. He knew this and he got dealt the punishment. I think his accolades should be in the hall, just not him, or put him in with an asterick talking about how he is banned.

Just My opinion. I am sure RH has a better answer.

A.) I enjoyed the "Cardinal" sin pun. Well played. B.) He said bet literally on every single game. I've also never read anything on people accusing odd pitcher rotations or substitutions indicating sacrificing future wins for a current game...and believe me, there are more baseball nerds out there than any subject in the world. If there were signs that pointed to this..it would be every where in 14 books.

[Frasedog]

Originally Posted by Godeaux

Who gives a s#/t???????? Truth is the truth!!!

Amen to that!

[lwbrewer]

Originally Posted by Supe

A.) I enjoyed the "Cardinal" sin pun. Well played. B.) He said bet literally on every single game. I've also never read anything on people accusing odd pitcher rotations or substitutions indicating sacrificing future wins for a current game...and believe me, there are more baseball nerds out there than any subject in the world. If there were signs that pointed to this..it would be every where in 14 books.

Just to note the rule Pete got busted for wasn't made after he did it, but before. So his wasn't a moral issue with the owners or media, but a law he was aware of before he started betting. Frank just didn't get along with Dana and maybe more at the UFC. Just as big Miz said what Pete did should be in there, but with a * for a name.

[rivethead]

Originally Posted by Supe

LOL comparing Frank Shamrock to the all time leader in hits, games and at bats in the 100+ year old sport of baseball is laughable RH. Can i ask why you find what he did so reprehensible and worthy of a life time ban? He's never been accused of throwing games or even betting against his team. So what did betting ON his team while playing and managing do...make him try harder? Its a fuckin joke.

I've never said Rose was a mediocre player, or that he wasn't incredibly gifted. I'm saying he didn't advance the sport to a new level, he didn't innovate anything like Shamrock did.

My issue with Rose and why I think the lifetime ban should stand is that he bet on games. You don't see that as a problem. I do. You can stand by the argument that he didn't actually throw games, and that's nice; but for me, it's the enough to excuse the issue. I feel the fact that he's not as guilty as humanly possible doesn't give him a pass.

But I'm pathological purist, and I understand that. If it were up to me, I'd have lifetime bans--in any sport--for PEDs. I'd strike the records and accomplishments of anyone who used, fuck the asterisks, I'd delete them entirely.

rh

[TheDoucheyWun]

Shamrock,Miletich,Tanner,Rutten, though he never won a title Rizzo, are all peoples I feel should be in the HOF. Fuck even Tank Abbot maybe just do to his causual fan appeal.

You shouldnt have to be a superstar to get inducted IMO.

[Rise]

Originally Posted by TheDoucheyWun

Shamrock,Miletich,Tanner,Rutten, though he never won a title Rizzo, are all peoples I feel should be in the HOF. Fuck even Tank Abbot maybe just do to his causual fan appeal.

You shouldnt have to be a superstar to get inducted IMO.

Going by this just being a UFC HoF and not a MMA HoF don't think a couple of those names should be in there.

And Tank Abbot in a HoF

[sproggy]

Originally Posted by Supe

A.) I enjoyed the "Cardinal" sin pun. Well played. B.) He said bet literally on every single game. I've also never read anything on people accusing odd pitcher rotations or substitutions indicating sacrificing future wins for a current game...and believe me, there are more baseball nerds out there than any subject in the world. If there were signs that pointed to this..it would be every where in 14 books.

There's that number again!

I believe Pete should be in for his stats. Him betting doesn't change those facts.
The Ufc HOF is a joke.