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06-17-2012, 08:18 PM
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| | Gross attacks the 'flawed' and 'White-washed' UFC Hall of Fame
Gross attacks the 'flawed' and 'White-washed' UFC Hall of Fame
Gross attacks the 'flawed' and 'White-washed' UFC Hall of Fame - Mixed Martial Arts News
If you believe White when he says Ortiz wasn't a company guy -- disputable considering how much money he made for Zuffa -- let me ask you this: So what? Should a fighter have to be a company guy to earn what he deserves? Should White need to be "totally cool" and have "no beef with Tito whatsoever" for Ortiz to be HOF eligible?
These are reasons I choose not to regard the UFC Hall of Fame as being the same thing as hallowed grounds associated with other sports. Eventually, I hope, MMA media will come together and do it properly, though that surely won't prevent the UFC from picking and choosing who it recognizes among the best ever to compete in the Octagon. Nor should it. But I'll say this: The White-washing of the UFC "hall" is unseemly.
After all, the light heavyweight division's first champion, Frank Shamrock, can't get a sniff of it and he beat Ortiz in one of the organization's great contests, and went 5-0 in UFC competition, each bout a title fight.
Why? Because he fell out of favor with president White.
Likewise, Pat Miletich -- the organization's first welterweight champion who defended the belt multiple times and went on to mentor and train many of the Octagon's finest, including too-exclusive club member Matt Hughes.
There's no sane explanation why Ortiz should receive accolades the week leading up to his retirement bout while Shamrock and Miletich (and fighters past, present and future who dare look out for themselves, even if it means upsetting the powers that be) get frozen out. Ortiz deserves his time in the spotlight as much as they do.
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06-18-2012, 04:35 AM
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Gross is right. Zuffa's HoF isn't an accurate depiction of skill, or greatness, or contributions. It's a vanity puff job for who dana likes the most at any given time.
Originally Posted by GangGreenWarrior
Pete Rose not being in the HoF is way more flawed that Shamrock not.
Please. You can't even compare the two. Regardless of what he's morphed into, Shamrock made ground-breaking contributions to the entire sport in terms of being a well-rounded fighter, he set the model for all elite fighters to follow, breaking away from a single-discipline model and into establishing oneself as a threat in all areas.
Rose was talented, but he didn't revolutionize anything.
And Frank didn't wipe his ass with the entire concept of respect for the industry as Rose did.
To take your analogy a step further, if Selig were half as capricious, emotional and reactionary as dana, he would have been ousted years ago. It's not him
keeping Rose out, it's hundreds of knowledgeable individuals in various places within the industry who find Rose's actions unforgivable.
Originally Posted by Rise
As far as Frank being in there is concerned wish he had of been able to stay in the UFC a little longer but the money issues came up and ruined that. Had he got a few more fights in there would be no way to deny him a spot.
I think he's done enough to warrant it based on his early contributions. I'm not a fan of Frank, but he was OG.
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